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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 8, 2020 9:08:25 GMT -6
If you don't like taking the risk, then stay off the effin' street.
Really simple.
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Post by comet on Apr 8, 2020 11:56:15 GMT -6
Great attitude lurkin !!!!!!
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Post by cardfan on Apr 8, 2020 12:06:57 GMT -6
Screw everyone else, I’ll do what I want. If they get hurt it’ll be their fault.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 8, 2020 13:09:32 GMT -6
I'm not responsible for your safety against something that may or may not happen to you.
It's up to you to decide if you want to put yourself in certain circumstances.
Or should the government just put everyone in bubble wrap and feed us bread for the rest of our lives?
Let me ask you this: Are you still getting paid?
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Post by comet on Apr 8, 2020 13:57:21 GMT -6
First of all, I feel as though we are all should care about and be concerned about the safety of others.
Getting paid, as for Social Security, yes. As for my part-time job, no.
I chose to take an LOA because I care enough about my wife, who has a pre-existing respiratory
condition, to not want to bring home the virus and bring potential harm to her.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2020 14:36:03 GMT -6
I'm not responsible for your safety against something that may or may not happen to you. It's up to you to decide if you want to put yourself in certain circumstances. Sure. If you drive recklessly in a school zone it is not certain that any child gets hit. May or may not happen. Those kids just need to look out for you. You can do anything you want. Everybody just puts your choice first no matter how dangerous.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 9, 2020 6:29:48 GMT -6
First of all, I feel as though we are all should care about and be concerned about the safety of others. Getting paid, as for Social Security, yes. As for my part-time job, no. I chose to take an LOA because I care enough about my wife, who has a pre-existing respiratory condition, to not want to bring home the virus and bring potential harm to her. (Actually, I was asking Cardfan.) And that's your choice based on your situation. If you can afford to do that, that's great. Why can't I choose to go to work, if my situation is different? What about the guy who's not getting paid? Unemployment is a fraction of your normal pay, some people won't make ends meet. Aren't we BOTH looking to do what's best for our families, based on our individual circumstances? Yet somehow you feel like you're taking the high road, while I'm just being a dick. I think the kids call that "bullying" these days  |
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Post by cardfan on Apr 9, 2020 7:29:47 GMT -6
Yes I am extremely fortunate to still be working. I am very very thankful for that. My son just got laid off. My daughter works directly with patients in a hospital so I fear for her everyday. She has to isolate herself from her fiance. She knows first hand about the lack of PPE supplies. So i am not at all interested in taxing our health care system and our care providers even further by having everyone go back to work and “open things back up.”
If I were not able to work, yes I would absolutely be desperate. But I also am I the high risk category so even I wanted to get back to work I’d be taking a chance of getting very sick. And, even I weren’t high risk I sure as hell wouldn’t want to be working with others who might be sick because you just don’t know who is carrying. And I would not want to risk unknowingly bring it home to my wife and and stepchildren and make them sick. I guess I’m just not so much about myself that I’d be willing to hurt others. But I 100% get it. People have to pay the bills. It’s catch 22. But the longer we don’t do whatever is necessary to stop the spread of this thing the longer it goes on and puts even more people out of work/makes people sick/kills people. So I’m choosing the lesser of two evils. Slow the spread and buy time for a viable treatment to be developed.
I totally understand the economic and financial damage is incredible. But I personally don’t want to trade it for hundreds of thousands of lives and causing the collapse of our heath care systems and the forever impact on families and businesses that causes. The poison I choose right now is we ride this thing out. But in all honesty I cannot tell you how I’d feel if I were not able to work. I sure as hell cannot blame anyone for wanting to get back to earning a paycheck.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2020 9:13:11 GMT -6
The more developed European countries are doing a better job of solving this problem. they are much more ready and willing to temporarily pay workers in this case. Compensation is not full compensation but it essentially pays the workers to stay home and stop the spread of the virus.
This would be a horrible idea in normal times, it would discourage workers from seeking other employment in normal downturns, but this is so far from normal. And for a short time we don't want so many out working.
Our emergency relief measures may have been a little to little and a little late. They are not going to be as efficient because we don't have the federal infrastructure to distribute money that Euro states have, and rely on 50 state systems which are breaking down. But they will start to kick in.
A much smaller amount of money spent a year ago when we were cutting health care spending would have been a lot better. We weren't ready to test people, then isolate them and track contacts. We might have shut this down a lot quicker. If we hadn't twiddled our thumbs and said it wasn't a problem. We'll end up spending much more now in rebuilding the economy and have more workers hurt longer. A quicker lock down would have been shorter and less disruptive.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 9, 2020 9:15:27 GMT -6
That's what I'm trying to tell you guys. You DON'T know what is best for EVERYONE.
You're doing what's best for you. It's not the same for everyone. A LOT of people are going to go bankrupt. Businesses will fail at an astounding rate. Many won't reopen. Unemployment will remain high for the next few years. The Feds will pass more stimulus packages, putting us further in debt, to the point where hyperinflation will take off.
What happens next year, when a new strain (COVID-20 or 21) comes around? Think we'll do this again?
We can't afford to keep doing this.
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Apr 9, 2020 9:29:54 GMT -6
Another possibility for treating CV is Ivermectin. It is an anti viral, anti parasitic drug. I knew I had some in the house, but I did not take it or did YesMan. Had to be purchased at the vet. The twenty year old Gato meds wasn't it, nor the boxer Doug, who takes Prozac. A search of the pet's medicine cabinet revealed it was Heartgard. And it's a preventative. It is available for humans under a different name. Read about this hopeful drug here.
RF
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2020 9:41:32 GMT -6
First of all, I feel as though we are all should care about and be concerned about the safety of others. Getting paid, as for Social Security, yes. As for my part-time job, no. I chose to take an LOA because I care enough about my wife, who has a pre-existing respiratory condition, to not want to bring home the virus and bring potential harm to her. And that's your choice based on your situation. If you can afford to do that, that's great. Why can't I choose to go to work, if my situation is different? Because it isn't just about you and your situation? Because in this emergency situation which everyone shares, your free choice is limited by duty to prevent harm to others?
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Post by cardfan on Apr 9, 2020 9:57:22 GMT -6
There’s no doubt we cannot keep doing this. So lets hope we find effective treatments and vaccines. Otherwise?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2020 11:39:53 GMT -6
There’s no doubt we cannot keep doing this. So lets hope we find effective treatments and vaccines. Otherwise? Agree. This is not going to return to total normal for quite a while. This bug spreads so fast and is so dangerous. We don't want a wave to come back too soon. There inevitably will be a second wave maybe continuing waves. That's why we want the vaccine and a rapid response and quicker trigger finger on other mitigation if needed.
If we get the mechanism in place to test we solve a lot of problems. If in January we had taken the action many advised the administration to take, we would have had a much faster, more effective response. Then you identify the early cases, isolate them, track their contacts, and if you do need social distancing it can likely be localized.
The likely thing that will happen right now is we will continue a lesser degree of mitigation in many areas after the 30 days. Might need some areas to stay shutdown longer. That reduces the economic impact, delays the second wave even if it doesn't wipe out the disease. Since this is a world wide pandemic we can't really count on elimination of it, we could see it reintroduced even if we have amazing short term success.
We probably can gain enough time by this mitigation to be prepared.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 9, 2020 12:12:20 GMT -6
Testing and contact tracing are effective tools. And we do neither enough.
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