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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 8, 2020 9:49:11 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2020 9:50:56 GMT -6
The problem is we are bush league. At least compared to conferences where they can support the expense of FSB FB.
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 8, 2020 10:57:11 GMT -6
The problem is we are bush league. At least compared to conferences where they can support the expense of FSB FB. About the only qualifiers here are most Power 5 schools, the remainder subsidies their teams - that’s pretty much has it has always been. You can say it’s part of the college experience at a Power 5 conference school, don’t know what I’d call it at the others. I enjoy Ball State football, but should the school through student fees be suppporting poorly attended events?
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Post by bsu0 on Apr 8, 2020 12:49:40 GMT -6
If you win they will come
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2020 14:05:16 GMT -6
If you win they will come Only in the movies. Not in Muncie.
To come close to breaking even we need paying customers to more than double at more than double the ticket price. Our best teams with best attendance did not match the number of tickets we need to sell and almost certainly could not double the ticket price.
Of course maybe that ESPN contract will pay 10X the amount they do with all those schools like Marshall?
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Post by bsu0 on Apr 8, 2020 14:13:19 GMT -6
In '08 we had great crowds...I was there both on the road and at home. During the Wenning era our crowds were respectable. If Pete would have finished the job he started (with the help from Parrish) we could have built a solid fan base with plenty of room for improvement. The problem... about the time a team and or coaching staff prove they are serious about winning they either quit or in the case of basketball get run off the campus. We must show the the alums that we are going to be a force on a regular basis nd they and the students will show on game day.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2020 15:04:24 GMT -6
CUSA had a terrible TV contract (using Twitter to stream games), worse than the MAC. If expansion is the direction, the MAC might look to re-negotiate based on the number of teams that would join the MAC.
Not a fan of Marshall since they've used the MAC on two different occasions.
If Marshall (4.25 hr drive) is in the works, try to bring WKU (4.33 hr drive), Middle Tennessee (5.75 hr drive) and UNC-Charlotte (8 hr drive - closer for Ohio, Kent, Akron; 2.5 mil Metro Area) along with them.
Liberty is already an FBS Independent and could be an option, but offers no large metro base, and is about as far away as Charlotte. Liberty is sinking a s#!+load of money into facilities and recruiting. They want to be high profile.
Don't cannibalize existing FCS, if they are not in financial straits.
I'd also look to see the AAC go after up to 5 CUSA members in its bid to be considered a Power6 conference (as they claim in advertising). They lost UConn and may want 5 to get to 16. Charlotte, ODU, FAU & FIU give them additional large TV markets. Rice and UNT give them redundancy in two large Texas markets. Maybe LA Tech is a possibility (strong football state).
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 8, 2020 16:11:09 GMT -6
If you win they will come Only in the movies. Not in Muncie.
To come close to breaking even we need paying customers to more than double at more than double the ticket price. Our best teams with best attendance did not match the number of tickets we need to sell and almost certainly could not double the ticket price.
Of course maybe that ESPN contract will pay 10X the amount they do with all those schools like Marshall?
We can draw good crowds but we can never draw good enough to cover expenses
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 8, 2020 16:31:34 GMT -6
Are we going to need to consider doubling our tick prices. I paid $70 a ticket for the Ball State vs MI game and similar to ND. Just thinking out load.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 8, 2020 16:39:19 GMT -6
No we could never do that the results would be worse. That would take any 90% of walk up sales. You could probably gouge the season ticket holders some but even then if you go to far you will get less sales
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2020 17:08:02 GMT -6
Are we going to need to consider doubling our tick prices. I paid $70 a ticket for the Ball State vs MI game and similar to ND. Just thinking out load. Just home games. That last good season attendance was 17 or 18k average, but the next year back to 12k. Both count students. Selling out every game at current prices would cover a fraction of our expenses. Even selling a lot of beer.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 8, 2020 17:45:11 GMT -6
In '08 we had great crowds...I was there both on the road and at home. During the Wenning era our crowds were respectable. If Pete would have finished the job he started (with the help from Parrish) we could have built a solid fan base with plenty of room for improvement. The problem... about the time a team and or coaching staff prove they are serious about winning they either quit or in the case of basketball get run off the campus. We must show the the alums that we are going to be a force on a regular basis nd they and the students will show on game day. It's funny how people have absolutely no idea how far mac football is down in the financial hole, and the "fixes" they'll suggest
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 8, 2020 19:30:09 GMT -6
with a good product for a couple years running we could average 15,000 again.. To do that 5000 have to be students which are free leaving 10k paid per game
thats 60,000 paid for 6 homes games at 20 bucks per. 1,200,000 in tickets sales. Now lets say just for rough numbers each of the 60,000 spends 5 per game(Concessions) and BSU gets half. Thats another 150,000 add in 1000 a game in shirts 6,000. Rough total 1,356,000 a year for home games..
All very rough numbers but no way near covering costs
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 8, 2020 19:57:13 GMT -6
Yes, as you realize, you have only covered between 10-15% of the yearly loss.
I've been saying for years that football supporters have nothing to worry about. Simply because there was never anything I could see on the horizon that suggested the subsidy would go away. For example, several of you fretted from time to time that the P5 schools would, for some reason, kick MAC football to the curb. That was needless worrying. The P5 schools never had any motivation to do something that would look that bad from a PR standpoint. The P5 was keeping the money they made for themselves. The MAC got little to none of it...only what was (to the P5) a relative pittance for OOC games. The P5 never had any reason to want to save MAC students (who were footing the bill) from idiotic MAC administrators.
However, we are in a new world now in a lot of ways. Lots of things will be shaken up. MAC schools finances are going to be turned inside out, with who knows what all eventual effects. If I was counting on something as shameful, ridiculous and wasteful as the yearly eight figure subsidy to each MAC football program, I would be worried now for the first time.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 8, 2020 20:06:30 GMT -6
$20 is pushing it for Muncie.
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