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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2020 7:08:45 GMT -6
Wait, I'm going over and shut off the TV. There.......fixed it for ya. It's a free country (or, it was). Stay hunkered down in the back room and the rest of us will get back to normal. Yeah. Just pretend the science is all wrong and nothing will happen, ignore it, it will all go away.
"After all we have had no deaths and only 15 cases, soon to be none."
Reruns of this will occur about September as people flock into stadiums to cheer their favorite team. Well, not everywhere, we can count on the BSU stands to show evidence of social distancing on the student side.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 23, 2020 7:17:01 GMT -6
I know people often get chastised for comparing things that aren't actually war to war, but I think it fits here.
Our state and national leaders are the battlefield commanders here and they have an objective in mind. It's not a hill or a piece of ground, it's opening things back up.
And they have an acceptable number of casualties in mind that they are willing to sacrifice. If another 20,000-30,000 mostly senior citizens die, they aren't really concerned with that.
Your mask will become as much a part of your daily wardrobe as your shirt and pants.
In fact, promotions at the Maine game will be: First 5,000 through the gates will received the new Nike N95 masks and 8 oz. bottles of Purell. By that time, it'll be better than $1 hot dogs.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 23, 2020 7:55:06 GMT -6
Our state and national leaders are the battlefield commanders here and they have an objective in mind. It's not a hill or a piece of ground, it's opening things back up. And they have an acceptable number of casualties in mind that they are willing to sacrifice. If another 20,000-30,000 mostly senior citizens die, they aren't really concerned with that. I wouldn't say they're not concerned with it, but they have to find a balance. As horrible as it sounds, somewhere in a little-known government office, someone is calculating the dollar value of an American life. And someone else is calculating the lockdown's effect on the economy, and another on the average American's standard of living. And a third person is calculating where the balancing point is. Actuaries do this all the time.
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 23, 2020 7:58:37 GMT -6
In Elkhart County, Northern Indiana, only 16 pairs have COVID-19 patient’s. We have over 200,000 people living in Elkhart County. We have had four deaths, including one from yesterday.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2020 8:21:05 GMT -6
In Elkhart County, Northern Indiana, only 16 pairs have COVID-19 patient’s. We have over 200,000 people living in Elkhart County. We have had four deaths, including one from yesterday. Yes, it might make sense to open Elkhart County.
IF you can close it off from outside traffic...and IF you can test and contact trace every new infection. And IF you can keep the citizens there doing enough social distancing to keep transmission rate low. That action is why they have had so few problems.
Doing all that isn't exactly business as usual. It is going to require a great deal of vigilance and effort to open even partially.
And.
Doing most of those things to prevent a problem recurring might not be possible right now. We don't have the testing or the structure to trace. Without those we will see what happened when we had only 15 cases in the whole country. Then we have to close down again?
Our biggest problem is we lack knowledge about the virus. We lack ability to fight it except by mitigation after it is widespread. We are buying time and the best science says we need more time.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 23, 2020 8:23:15 GMT -6
Our state and national leaders are the battlefield commanders here and they have an objective in mind. It's not a hill or a piece of ground, it's opening things back up. And they have an acceptable number of casualties in mind that they are willing to sacrifice. If another 20,000-30,000 mostly senior citizens die, they aren't really concerned with that. I wouldn't say they're not concerned with it, but they have to find a balance. As horrible as it sounds, somewhere in a little-known government office, someone is calculating the dollar value of an American life. And someone else is calculating the lockdown's effect on the economy, and another on the average American's standard of living. And a third person is calculating where the balancing point is. Actuaries do this all the time. And a fourth person is calculating how much further the government can stretch Social Security if they allow 60,000-70,000 senior citizens to bite the dust. And a fifth person is calculating how much more money the insurance companies are going to make once they don't have to cover the health care costs of all those old people. And on, and on, and on. Well, at least we're keeping the actuaries busy. If more people had studied actuarial science in college we wouldn't be worried about so many people being out of work now.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2020 8:46:31 GMT -6
The economy is going to HAVE to open up in some measured way with appropriate precautions to minimize the virus spread. Obviously this will lead to a certain amount of increased deaths from the virus. We know for CERTAIN that many people and media outlets will make partisan political hay over this, but you can't run your society in constant fear of these disgusting people.
However, college football is one of the things that AIN'T going to happen this year. You may as well get used to that idea because it is only a matter of time before it is decided and announced. There is very little hope for the basketball season either. Not until a working vaccine is deployed.
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Post by comet on Apr 23, 2020 9:16:48 GMT -6
I’d say we’re 90% chance of being online only in the fall. I realize this is the wrong thread, but what do you think this means for basketball? No basketball played until January? Elimination of entire non-conference season? Entire basketball schedule comprised of 18 MAC games and MAC tournament? Really good point. This is like a Mr. Obvious point that, at least I, hadn't put 2 and 2 together to come up with 4. If there are no on campus classes in the fall that pre-season schedule goes down the drain. I'd have to agree with one of Sherm's most recent posts that basketball ain't likely to happen either. I can't watch anymore of the "Horse" tournament crap on ESPN !!!!!!
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 23, 2020 9:32:54 GMT -6
Speaking of ESPN, do you think they're going to be agreeable to football and basketball having the same seasons? They'd go the entire fall with nothing, then have a glut in the spring, which they couldn't possibly cover all of it, which screws up their contracts.
Throw in the pro leagues, and it would be insane.
I think we're going to see in-person class in the fall, unless there's a spike in new cases. Schools can't afford to have students staying home. There will be some changes in everyday operations, but they need students on campus.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2020 9:35:26 GMT -6
I'm pinning my sports hopes on the NFL. The TV revenue potentially available to them should inspire some creative thinking and the willingness to endure some unprecedented and extensive precautions to somehow put on games. Because 60,000 people in a stadium is NOT happening this fall.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 23, 2020 9:58:05 GMT -6
I think the idea of opening up the economy in a measured way with appropriate precautions is certainly what will be suggested.
For that to work, you need a pretty decent level of regulatory oversight and common sense.
I think we will lack both. Once they crack the floodgates open a little, it's going to be a full-fledged flood.
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 23, 2020 10:14:55 GMT -6
In Elkhart County, Northern Indiana, only 16 pairs have COVID-19 patient’s. We have over 200,000 people living in Elkhart County. We have had four deaths, including one from yesterday. Yes, it might make sense to open Elkhart County.
IF you can close it off from outside traffic...and IF you can test and contact trace every new infection. And IF you can keep the citizens there doing enough social distancing to keep transmission rate low. That action is why they have had so few problems.
Doing all that isn't exactly business as usual. It is going to require a great deal of vigilance and effort to open even partially.
And.
Doing most of those things to prevent a problem recurring might not be possible right now. We don't have the testing or the structure to trace. Without those we will see what happened when we had only 15 cases in the whole country. Then we have to close down again?
Our biggest problem is we lack knowledge about the virus. We lack ability to fight it except by mitigation after it is widespread. We are buying time and the best science says we need more time.
Saying all that is nice, but when you destroy the economy and there are no jobs to return too, not sure we haven’t taken things to far. I will say we need to remember some of these practices when flew season begins again this fall. I was probably guilty of going to work sick when I should have stayed home. Maybe this will help us learn to stay home and get well before we go out in the public.
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 23, 2020 10:17:41 GMT -6
The economy is going to HAVE to open up in some measured way with appropriate precautions to minimize the virus spread. Obviously this will lead to a certain amount of increased deaths from the virus. We know for CERTAIN that many people and media outlets will make partisan political hay over this, but you can't run your society in constant fear of these disgusting people.
However, college football is one of the things that AIN'T going to happen this year. You may as well get used to that idea because it is only a matter of time before it is decided and announced. There is very little hope for the basketball season either. Not until a working vaccine is deployed. Agree with first paragraph, hate to think the second paragraph is true. We cannot hide from this forever.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2020 11:00:37 GMT -6
Spectator sports is going to be one of the last things to come back. Putting thousands of people in close proximity to each other for 3+ hours is pretty much the worst thing you can do. Offices, factories, warehouses, hotels, schools, retail shopping....it will be easier AND much more necessary to figure out how to open up these things with reasonable risk before a vaccine. But getting back to normal spectator sports is a ways off. Get used to the idea.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 23, 2020 11:00:46 GMT -6
I'm pinning my sports hopes on the NFL. The TV revenue potentially available to them should inspire some creative thinking and the willingness to endure some unprecedented and extensive precautions to somehow put on games. Because 60,000 people in a stadium is NOT happening this fall. That’s what I’ve been thinking.
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