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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2020 20:43:05 GMT -6
Like the NFL, the big European soccer leagues are massively popular and profitable enough to make it worthwhile to figure out SOME way to continue games. Below is what the Spanish league is planning to do. A further part of the plan is games with no spectators.
The NFL will do something like this also. But as you read through, you see why it is impossible for college football to do what it would take to have a season. Of course, the really big programs have the revenue to do something similar, but they have painted themselves into a corner with their "amatuer" charade.
The preliminary stage (phase one) of the protocol for the resumption of training involves at least three tests being carried out on every player before a return to activity, beginning with polymerase chain reaction and serology tests. The league hopes to carry out a first round of tests on 28 April to gain a picture of where they are and establish which players have built up an immunity to the virus. The final test of the first phase must be conducted two days before a return to activity.
Once sessions begin, up to two weeks after that first test, players will be subjected to daily serology antibody tests which the league has acquired. Any player found to be positive will be isolated.
Phase two is individual training sessions to be carried out at the clubs’ training grounds in a controlled environment that has to be disinfected before sessions. “Clean area” notices will be placed at entry points, the number of staff allowed in will be limited and training times staggered to prevent players coinciding with each other. Strict rules are laid out for the preparation of food – only one cook will be allowed – for laundry staff and for security. Employees will be categorised as high or low protection, with footballers in the former group.
Players will arrive at training always in the same car and in kit, taking away the following day’s kit in a sealed, biodegradable bag. Dressing rooms are not to be used and there will be a maximum of six players on any pitchand no more than 12 on site. No more than two players will be allowed in the gym and no interaction with coaching staff will be allowed. Staff must wear gloves and face masks, as must players until on the pitch.
From phase three, squads will be in isolation at the training ground, residency or a closed hotel space occupied only by the team. They will not be allowed home and will be in individual rooms. There will be no communal areas. Sessions will be conducted in three eight-player groups with no more than 20 staff on site. Those groups will be split across three dressing rooms, ensuring no more than three players are together. After sessions, they will return to their rooms.
Multiple dressing rooms, disinfected after every use, will also be used for the phase four, the final stage.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2020 21:13:04 GMT -6
NFL will have harder time. 5 times more players. More need to be close quarters.
Then there's that huddle...
You're right it's impossible for colleges with players mixed in with student population all day on top of training and practice exposure.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 24, 2020 7:03:29 GMT -6
Seems to me that the Spaniards are going a little over the top, but this illustrates the things I have been telling you all:
*There WILL be NFL games, but it will be very strange.
*Players will be extensively and continually tested.
*Players will be sequestered away from family
*Spectators will be barred from games.
*You can start making other plans for your Fall Saturdays
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Post by cardfan on Apr 24, 2020 7:11:14 GMT -6
They’ll just inject them all with Lysol and UV light and they’ll be good to go.
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 24, 2020 7:27:08 GMT -6
They’ll just inject them all with Lysol and UV light and they’ll be good to go. Can we start those clinical trials now please? I have a suggestion for who should be the first test subject.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 24, 2020 8:12:09 GMT -6
After missing a season and BSU laying people off and students' families under financial duress, the question will be: at what point will BSU have $10 million laying around to restart the next season of MAC football?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 24, 2020 9:33:52 GMT -6
They’ll just inject them all with Lysol and UV light and they’ll be good to go. I like the tanning idea. Might increase student attendance. Scantily clad young bodies stretched out on the hill sunning themselves could not hurt.
Tanning beds please for the season ticket holders who we definitely do not want to see naked.
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Post by frozenbaugh on Apr 29, 2020 13:37:29 GMT -6
I can certainly see a delay in starting the season by a couple of months. At the same time, this is all very fluid. A month ago, we were being told that we should shelter in for the summer and now economies are opening up. Economy having a budget shortfall. Open up. Ohio University Buckeye football having a shortfall. Open up. Think about how important Ohio football is important for the state. Or Texas or Clemson in terms of money. Elected officials want to be re-elected. They'll do it if they can. That's simplistic but we're only in April. No way in hell. You put 100k people in osu's stadium and you will have a sizable outbreak, with fatalities, directly attributable. Who is that going to reelect? The governor still has a goal of running the Indy 500 with hundreds of thousands of fans in August. So you can dismiss my opinion but this is a fluid situation and we are in April.
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Post by 00hmh on May 1, 2020 22:39:10 GMT -6
No way in hell. You put 100k people in osu's stadium and you will have a sizable outbreak, with fatalities, directly attributable. Who is that going to reelect? The governor still has a goal of running the Indy 500 with hundreds of thousands of fans in August. So you can dismiss my opinion but this is a fluid situation and we are in April. You have to be pessimistic I think.
The governor along with all of us want to be optimistic that it would be possible from point of view of health. But Summer looks safer than Fall. A lot of uncertainty.
But apart from that I can't see us cutting budgets everywhere on campus and expecting the athletic budget to be immune. Student fees likely down, attendance questionable. If FB at the big schools have fewer games we lose our money games.
And this depends not only our governor and our President but the MAC and NCAA as well.
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Post by david75bsu on May 2, 2020 6:08:43 GMT -6
I see football this fall and basketball this winter. They are about to the point of being able to treat the virus and a vaccine is a good possibility by September or October. America was not made by people who sheltered in place for very long - Valley Forge maybe. It’s just about time to begin getting back to living.
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2020 8:09:53 GMT -6
I see football this fall and basketball this winter. They are about to the point of being able to treat the virus and a vaccine is a good possibility by September or October. America was not made by people who sheltered in place for very long - Valley Forge maybe. It’s just about time to begin getting back to living. I see no reports of a vaccine being available for use before January at the earliest. Several different versions of the vaccine are actually being produced before they are proven effective and safe. If we hit on of them, the head start may mean we may have something for wide use in January.
The problem there is that it has limited value, and the trial was not conclusive. Safety concerns are not resolved and the short trial means its use will have to be only in hospital settings. Who it helps and who it might hurt is not determined. We are essentially using the emergency treatment to test a promising drug.
I am an investor in Gilead and have followed this drug's development for several years. The sobering fact is it is not a cure and not really very certain how much it does to fight the virus. Better than anything else. This most recent positive trial shows it cut hospitalization on the average by days, which is great, but the impact on deaths is not as clear cut. The mortality rate was 8% in people given remdesivir and 11.6% in those given a placebo, but this result was not statistically significant, meaning scientists cannot tell if the difference is real. 8% mortality is still very serious much greater than any flu.
Might be good news for a Spring Football season, and for basketball. IF we avoid a wave of disease in the Fall, BB is much more likely, and there at least it involves fewer athletes and we can defer the decision a bit longer.
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Post by david75bsu on May 2, 2020 9:26:00 GMT -6
There is a vaccine that is being tested and there is a feeling that it may be ready by September. This was reported on the news. The treatment has shown positive results and it is only May 2nd, my 71st birthday. Progress is being made faster than others as the whole world is working on this issue. It may not yet be resolved, but we are making good progress. To me the glass will always be half full and never half empty.
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Post by 00hmh on May 2, 2020 11:20:27 GMT -6
There is a vaccine that is being tested and there is a feeling that it may be ready by September. This was reported on the news. The treatment has shown positive results and it is only May 2nd, my 71st birthday. Progress is being made faster than others as the whole world is working on this issue. It may not yet be resolved, but we are making good progress. To me the glass will always be half full and never half empty. The details of that news report are not quite as encouraging as you think.
That vaccine is the Oxford vaccine which has reportedly worked in protecting rhesus macaque monkeys that were exposed to heavy quantities of COVID-19. It is now just beginning human trial but is promising. It is is an international WHO approved project (click for the British news reports) The most optimistic reports are they may have 1 million doses in September, assuming the vaccine in those human trials is safe and effective. "For the Oxford Team, the million or so doses will be manufactured by partners in Britain, Europe, India and China, Prof Hill revealed."
The problem is that 1 million doses is not enough where the world may need billions of doses, certainly 100's of millions. This manufacturing process is fairly slow by comparison to some, so having it available in numbers in Fall is very doubtful. The graphic in the article indicates all of North America might have as many as 460K doses, but of course we need a couple hundred million. All that assumes Trump doesn't veto using a WHO product as he did with testing kits....
In any case I don't think it helps FB in the Fall.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 3, 2020 9:39:47 GMT -6
No way in hell. You put 100k people in osu's stadium and you will have a sizable outbreak, with fatalities, directly attributable. Who is that going to reelect? The governor still has a goal of running the Indy 500 with hundreds of thousands of fans in August. So you can dismiss my opinion but this is a fluid situation and we are in April. If you think this situation through for 10 seconds, you realize there is no way in hell the 500 happens in 2020 in anything like its usual form. The race itself could easily be run, with some testing and precautions around the crews, and of course televised, but the attendance would have to be VERY drastically limited. Also even if the 2020 BSU football season would happen (which it isn't), if you are over 60, you'd have to have rocks in your head to attend. I would think your life insurance company would have a good case to deny benefits on the grounds of reckless endangerment.
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Post by cardfan on May 3, 2020 9:56:13 GMT -6
Agree on both the 500 and bsu football. The 500 can happen, probably on TV only. Ppl would watch.
There won’t college football. Universities are not going to be willing to take on that risk. We’re not even sure most campuses will be open by August/September. I suppose the power 5 schools might try it with limited sized crowds given their large tv contracts. Ppl would watch that as well. If there is indeed a second wave in the fall then basketball is also off the table.
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