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Post by 00hmh on Oct 7, 2020 20:11:30 GMT -6
You know I keep reading on this message board that the public is confused, but I personally know of nobody who's confused. Some folks who don't like to wear masks like to use changes in policy/procedure as an excuse to throw a fit/complain, but they aren't really confused. They might be contrary or obstinate, but they know what they're doing and why. Guess you don't get out much. The CDC has always had current advice backed by latest and best available research. The Administration has been responsible for the public receiving mixed messages with statements contrary to best expert opinion. CDC says masks, Trump won't wear one which sends a message. CDC says small crowds, Trump holds rallies.
CDC says avoid large groups seated together, Trump holds a Rose Garden event with no masks and people mingling and seated elbow to elbow. CDC says we're in a war, Trump says he is a war time general in the fight, but when CDC says early we need PPE, testing, and contact tracing. Trump sells masks to China, refuses to order PPE under his emergency powers. Trump says let the states do the testing. Will not fund contact tracing.
CDC and other agencies set guidelines for reopening, Trump urges governors to let it rip. CDC and every expert says we're facing further problems, be careful, Trump says again it's just the flu... Now he says he'll give them all the drug that he says cured him, without medical evidence, that he's fine, everyone will be. Millions say they trust Trump over the CDC, he says "I am great and wise." Why would anyone be confused? |
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Post by lmills72 on Oct 7, 2020 21:48:58 GMT -6
You know I keep reading on this message board that the public is confused, but I personally know of nobody who's confused. Some folks who don't like to wear masks like to use changes in policy/procedure as an excuse to throw a fit/complain, but they aren't really confused. They might be contrary or obstinate, but they know what they're doing and why. Guess you don't get out much. Oh boy, you got me there. Yep, haven't been out of my bunker since the swine flu. Actually, I work with a variety of people every day and those who address the virus issue invariably say "Boy, I hate these masks and all these precautions we have to take, but I understand why we have to do it." Now I have worked with a few folks who've not wanted to do everything we ask of them in my workplace, but they fully understand what's going on. |
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 15, 2020 12:36:31 GMT -6
The CDC has always had current advice backed by latest and best available research. The Administration has been responsible for the public receiving mixed messages with statements contrary to best expert opinion. CDC says masks, Trump won't wear one which sends a message. CDC says small crowds, Trump holds rallies.
CDC says avoid large groups seated together, Trump holds a Rose Garden event with no masks and people mingling and seated elbow to elbow. CDC says we're in a war, Trump says he is a war time general in the fight, but when CDC says early we need PPE, testing, and contact tracing. Trump sells masks to China, refuses to order PPE under his emergency powers. Trump says let the states do the testing. Will not fund contact tracing.
CDC and other agencies set guidelines for reopening, Trump urges governors to let it rip. CDC and every expert says we're facing further problems, be careful, Trump says again it's just the flu... Now he says he'll give them all the drug that he says cured him, without medical evidence, that he's fine, everyone will be. Millions say they trust Trump over the CDC, he says "I am great and wise." Why would anyone be confused? Yes, we will all be so much better off once the criminal enterprise known as the Joe Biden Family is running the country. nypost.com/2020/10/15/emails-reveal-how-hunter-biden-tried-to-cash-in-big-with-chinese-firm/Here's a bite of advice for future political wannabees, when getting your computer repaired, remember to pick it up after repairs are completed and pay your bill. Let's see what Hunter has incriminated his family on. Introducing his Father, Joe, to his Ukrainian Burisma contacts. Joe's on tape claiming this never happened. Getting a three-year consulting contract with a Chinese Communist company that was to pay 10 million annually for introductions alone. Getting paid millions per year for being on the board of Burisma when Hunter knew nothing about oil and gas, or the Ukraine. Joe Biden being on tape bragging about leveraging $1 billion of US tax payer money to get the Ukraine Chief Prosecutor who was investigating Burisma fired. Riding over to China on Air Force 2 with Joe to meet with Chinese Communist officials. Several days later getting 1.5 billion in seed money for Hunter's investment firm (millions in management fees each year) from the Chinese Communist Bank. Hunter Biden opened a bank account with Gongwen Dong to fund a $100,000 global spending spree with James Biden (Joe's brother) and Sara Biden. While Joe was vice president, James Biden was hired as an executive vice president of Hillstone International's housing subsidiary despite little if ay documented work history in residential construction. Soon there after Hillstone International won a coveted billion dollar government contract for housing construction in Iraq. Hunter Biden had business associations with Ye Jianming, Gongwen Dong, and other Chinese nationals linked to the Communist government and the People’s Liberation Army. Those associations resulted in millions of dollars in cash flow to the Bidens. Hunter Biden received a $3.5 million wire transfer from Elena Baturina, the wife of the former mayor of Moscow. Hunter Biden paid nonresident women who were nationals of Russia or other Eastern European countries and who appear to be linked to an “Eastern European prostitution or human trafficking ring.” Here's some more on Joe Biden's connections with the Chinese Communists: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRmlcEBAiIs |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 15, 2020 13:38:09 GMT -6
Hunter Biden has what to do with the pandemic?
You seem to be proving the point that people are very confused by Trump campaigning.
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Post by bsutrack on Oct 15, 2020 21:53:52 GMT -6
Here's the connection if you can't see it. In thread after thread you keep harping on Trump for lack of leadership. In the case above it's about Trump not being an effective leader during the pandemic. In Joe Biden, most likely this country's next leader, you have an individual so corrupt he can't possibly be an effective leader. He is so compromised by the money he and his family has taken from China that he can easily be blackmailed. In the case of his son, he either didn't know what Hunter was doing (bad) or did know and condoned it (really bad). I liked the email from the Hunter's laptop to Hunter's child that said, "he would never make his child give 50% of his income to him like his father does to him". Since you quoted the CDC numerous times in your post, what do you think of the CDC's study that 74% of the folks who got Covid-19 claim they always wore a mask in public? californiaglobe.com/section-2/new-cdc-study-finds-majority-of-those-infected-with-covid-19-always-wore-masks/From the article: "In addition to causing “maskne” and skin infections on the face and around the mouth, persistent coughing, “mask mouth,” and respiratory illnesses including lung infections, it turns out that most everyone infected with COVID-19 “always” wore masks, according to a newly published study by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention." I thought wearing a mask was a magical amulet that kept you from getting Covid. How could all these folks get it even through they always wore a mask? |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2020 7:29:30 GMT -6
The Post article is so damning about Biden's pay-to-play that Twitter and Facebook have to censor it for him.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2020 7:56:56 GMT -6
Go to the study itself and read it. The article you cite cherry picks some data and the study has been widely misinterpreted to imply masks do not prevent spread. Or that they should not be worn.
Here is why. Masks do not have as their primary purpose to protect the person who wears it, except as part of a community effort and in terms of community spread being reduced where a large number of people in the community wear masks. It is not about individual protection.
Note that in VERY few cases do the data apply to cases where people widely observe the mitigation recommended.
Masks prevent YOU from spreading the virus and those around you from spreading the virus to you. Numerous studies confirm this is the case. Masks are not intended to protect the wearer... But there is some evidence that mask wearers have less viral load when infected and there is some protection.
So, here's the fact. It is true that if you are absolutely sure you don't have the virus you contribute little or nothing to reducing spread by wearing it. But what about the other guy? Do you trust him to be free? If there are 100 people in a group in Delaware Cty, odds are very high some are positive. Isn't it better to have as many as possible wear masks?
BTW
You should read the entire study and look at it's most important finding is that:
"Adults with positive SARS-CoV-2 test results were approximately twice as likely to have reported dining at a restaurant than were those with negative SARS-CoV-2 test results."
This is very good evidence that reopening that includes restaurants is risky. Especially since the study was conducted when a lot of restaurant capacity was outdoor with good ventilation which we know is safer. As winter weather is upon us and eating outdoors not an option. Stay out of restaurants! If you do eat in it is of course impossible to be as well protected by masks.
This and other studies would imply retail establishments are safer. Especially if you wear a mask.
The article shows that in settings where more people wear masks effectively (NOT restaurants where it is impossible to always wear a mask, or not for example church which is enclosed with close contact and singing)
So actually this article strongly supports the effectiveness of social distance and mask wearing.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Oct 16, 2020 8:16:00 GMT -6
I thought wearing a mask was a magical amulet that kept you from getting Covid. How could all these folks get it even through they always wore a mask? I haven't paid much attention for a few months but I don't think masks were ever promulgated for the purpose of preventing the wearer from catching Covid. I think the goal of masks is to prevent the wearer from unknowingly spreading Covid. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2020 8:44:21 GMT -6
The Post article is so damning about Biden's pay-to-play that Twitter and Facebook have to censor it for him.
As to how damning, the email shows Hunter Biden MAY have intended to benefit himself by taking credit for introducing someone to the VP and MAY have intended to benefit his family, indirectly.
Some seat of the pants immediate reactions:
1. Hunter Biden is NOT a candidate. NOT a key member of the candidates inner circle or staff. He as given security clearance and with or without it direct access to government power.
2. If using family influence to advance in business is damning, then Donald Trump is the poster boy for doing so.
3. If using access to government officials (the President included) for economic gain is damning, the Trump family seems to have made it a business model.
Selling Trump is the main business of the Trump family. Maybe corrupt, maybe not, but damning Hunter Biden and indirectly Joe Biden seems penny ante by comparison.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2020 8:58:01 GMT -6
From the article: "In addition to causing “maskne” and skin infections on the face and around the mouth, persistent coughing, “mask mouth,” and respiratory illnesses including lung infections, it turns out that most everyone infected with COVID-19 “always” wore masks, according to a newly published study by the Center for Disease Control and Prevention." I thought wearing a mask was a magical amulet that kept you from getting Covid. How could all these folks get it even through they always wore a mask? You will note there is no evidence cited to support assertions made the first paragraph. The article you cite provides none.
And, again, for the ignorant, wearing a mask is a community response to protect the community. It has limited ability to protect the individual user, except by collective community use.
This is true of most masks which are only about 30-40% effective in shielding the wearer, but 70-80% effective in preventing the wearer from spreading the virus. (N95 masks used do a much better job protecting the individual, but we do not have enough for widespread use. BTW, Trump sold a large number of those to China early on...which helped them, and contributed to our shortage early.)
The more people who wear masks, the more people who are positive are unable to transmit it as easily. There is an almost direct proportion to mask usage and reducing spread of the virus. It's hard to find a country or community with high mask usage which isn't doing MUCH better than we are in controlling the virus.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2020 11:15:02 GMT -6
The Post article is so damning about Biden's pay-to-play that Twitter and Facebook have to censor it for him.
Etc.
Isn't the argument that Biden is so much better than Trump? Not corrupt like Trump, not an asshole like Trump, not a racist/sexist/whatever-ist like Trump? We hear every day from the media about how awful Trump is. Why don't we hear about how awful Biden is? Oh, because THOSE stories must not be true... BECAUSE TWITTER AND FACEBOOK ARE CENSORING THEM! I swear to God, that's the argument. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2020 11:56:57 GMT -6
Isn't the argument that Biden is so much better than Trump? Not corrupt like Trump, not an asshole like Trump, not a racist/sexist/whatever-ist like Trump? Many of us have a bit of racist sexist asshole in us. I am sure Biden has some too. There is however little question Joe Biden is much much less the racist sexist asshole. I know of few of the President's supporters who would argue that point.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 16, 2020 11:59:08 GMT -6
We hear every day from the media about how awful Trump is. Why don't we hear about how awful Biden is? Oh, because THOSE stories must not be true... BECAUSE TWITTER AND FACEBOOK ARE CENSORING THEM! I swear to God, that's the argument. I think we hear less about how awful Biden is because there is less to hear. The President commands the giant Twitter feed and Facebook audience, not Joe. His claim of media bias while being a regular on FOX news and having instant access to the largest audience on cable is pretty ridiculous. His claim all bad news is fake news victimizing him is pretty thin when much of what is used is from his own mouth.
That Twitter feed is full of clear misinformation, falsehood, and half truth. Trump denies knowing about many of things he retweets or tweets, with the lame-o excuse he is just putting it out there, has no opinion. Today we see his feed used in support of this claim of fake news where he cites the Babylon Bee. apparently not recognizing it is a satire site. Kinda like using The Onion to refute The Lancet on medical news. If you are going to criticize Joe Biden for not being mentally sharp, give him some credit for not Trump-eting it quite so loudly as your man who cites as a source on fake news, the Babylon Bee website which offers up other reports there that include “Mark Zuckerberg Pops Out Of Man’s Shower To Warn Him The Story He’s Reading Is Fake News” and “Trump Spends Afternoon Shouting From White House Balcony During Twitter Outage.”
As to corrupt, if one of his family members tried to cash in on his position as VP that doesn't say all that much about Joe.
As my post above mentions the Trump family business is mostly about the Trump brand and selling Trump and there is no doubt the business is using his Presidency as part of that enterprise. It is done with his active knowledge. He has frequently promoted that business, he uses it as credential... Joe Biden is not entangled in Hunter Biden's business if he is part of it at all.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2020 12:20:11 GMT -6
Twitter and Facebook have a big problem now, though.
If they are designating themselves as arbiters of truth, and censoring posts they deem "false", then they are making themselves responsible for what appears on their site.
Since they are considered an "aggregate" media website, the law doesn't hold them liable for the content appearing on the site. BUT, if they are going to manage content, then they open themselves up to liability, as they won't fall under that umbrella anymore.
Of course, I'm sure you think it's totally fine that they censor the Post story.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 16, 2020 12:32:26 GMT -6
Isn't the argument that Biden is so much better than Trump? Not corrupt like Trump, not an asshole like Trump, not a racist/sexist/whatever-ist like Trump? Many of us have a bit of racist sexist asshole in us. I am sure Biden has some too. There is however little question Joe Biden is much much less the racist sexist asshole. I know of few of the President's supporters who would argue that point.
“You got the first mainstream African American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.” “Unlike the African-American community, with notable exceptions, the Latino community is an incredibly diverse community with incredibly diverse attitudes about different things.” “In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin’ Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent.” "Unless we do something about this, my children are going to grow up in a jungle, the jungle being a racial jungle with tensions having built so high that it is going to explode at some point." Those are all Bidenisms. And let's don't forget about HIS sexual assault allegation. Remember Tara Reade? Biden is no better than Trump. Even though Biden did all of his dirty work while on the taxpayers' dime. |
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