|
Post by chirpchirpcards on Jun 13, 2020 7:34:15 GMT -6
Biden will boldly fail in that. Too many new ideas for him. You think he is more imaginative and capable than Dubya.
I would hope he sticks to woman and smart, he should be able to understand that.
Shouldn't he pick the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, creed, etc.? We've seen time and again that that's now how this country works on any level
|
|
|
Post by chirpchirpcards on Jun 13, 2020 9:14:33 GMT -6
A simultaneously interesting and useless fact. This weekend Covid-19 will take more US lives than were lost during World War 1.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 13, 2020 9:48:10 GMT -6
Shouldn't he pick the most qualified person, regardless of gender, race, ethnicity, creed, etc.? We've seen time and again that that's now how this country works on any level Certainly as been tough for the current administration where explaining the facts to the decision maker in the WH or correcting any egregious error he makes leads rather inevitably to being fired from the position. That well qualified thing is problematic if there is no political advantage to following advice.
|
|
|
Post by lmills72 on Jun 13, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -6
I had asked for some clarification a couple of days ago regarding an article that was posted on page 3 of this thread. Since I never received clarification for the origins of the article and since the writing was offered up as “food for thought,” I’ll now post my thoughts.
What a piece of shit.
The writing serves absolutely no purpose other than to mislead, inflame emotions and divide people against one another. And it shocks me that people who’ve been bitching and complaining about the misleading and overhyping of mainstream media on a variety of topics could read this article and not see it for what it is. I guess it’s OK to attempt to mislead, confuse, inflame and generally incite panic as long as it agrees with whatever your particular point of view might be.
One of the things I love about people who’ve bought into the whole “fake news” thing — as the poster clearly has since he writes “Reality is ALWAYS different from the information we are getting from the media.” — is that they then turn around and use what that media says/reports in an attempt to bolster their own position.
The poster writes this article comes from a “well known cable news host.” So since a cable news host would clearly be a member of the media and “Reality is ALWAYS different from the information we are getting from the media,” why in the hell would the poster think that the piece was food for thought?
Perhaps because he’s a Fox News junkie, since this piece was adapted from a monologue Fox News host Tucker Carlson presented this past week. Frankly, I’m kinda shocked by that. I didn’t think a Fox News host could serve up a piece of drivel quite this bad.
|
|
|
Post by reevo on Jun 14, 2020 11:15:19 GMT -6
I had asked for some clarification a couple of days ago regarding an article that was posted on page 3 of this thread. Since I never received clarification for the origins of the article and since the writing was offered up as “food for thought,” I’ll now post my thoughts. What a piece of shit. The writing serves absolutely no purpose other than to mislead, inflame emotions and divide people against one another. And it shocks me that people who’ve been bitching and complaining about the misleading and overhyping of mainstream media on a variety of topics could read this article and not see it for what it is. I guess it’s OK to attempt to mislead, confuse, inflame and generally incite panic as long as it agrees with whatever your particular point of view might be. One of the things I love about people who’ve bought into the whole “fake news” thing — as the poster clearly has since he writes “Reality is ALWAYS different from the information we are getting from the media.” — is that they then turn around and use what that media says/reports in an attempt to bolster their own position. The poster writes this article comes from a “well known cable news host.” So since a cable news host would clearly be a member of the media and “Reality is ALWAYS different from the information we are getting from the media,” why in the hell would the poster think that the piece was food for thought? Perhaps because he’s a Fox News junkie, since this piece was adapted from a monologue Fox News host Tucker Carlson presented this past week. Frankly, I’m kinda shocked by that. I didn’t think a Fox News host could serve up a piece of drivel quite this bad. Mills: I failed to post who wrote the article because I knew damn well if I said it was a Fox commentator, this would be the type of response I would receive. I found the the article interesting as it is a different take than the regular outlets are reporting. It’s an opinion piece. Your reaction is a bit over the line as I never expressed an opinion as to where I personally stand. Your over reaction is typical from what we are seeing playing out in our big cities. You can express your feelings without attacking. To many want to silence those who have a different opinion. It is killing this country right now as we have people pussy footing around afraid to say anything because they may lose their job. I am far from a Fox News junkie as I watch just as much coverage from CNN, MSNBC, CBS news as I do fox. Quite honestly, my politics puts me square in the middle. I am neither Democrat or a Republican and truly an Independent voter. I posted the piece to get some opinions. Not to get personally attacked.
|
|
|
Post by lmills72 on Jun 14, 2020 12:47:09 GMT -6
Watch out Reevo. This political bickering is going to get you fired from you job.
Or, maybe I read your initial statement wrong. Did you mean to say your job does not permit you "to" engage in political bickering, or did you mean to say your job does not "prohibit" you from engaging in political bickering.
Anyway, let me know if you're allowed to bicker and we'll bicker ... or not.
|
|
|
Post by lmills72 on Jun 14, 2020 14:12:52 GMT -6
Sorry Reevo. That previous post was really a dick response on my part. I don't mean to bait you into getting fired or anything like that.
But the reason I do address you and not just the article you posted is YOUR comment that reality is ALWAYS different from what the media presents. I'm sorry if you don't recognize this as placing yourself squarely in the "fake news" camp.
You didn't say "The media gets it wrong half the time." You didn't say "Check out multiple sources to get a full picture." You just issued a sweeping condemnation of all media, and then you offered up something from the media ... the media that you said was always off the mark. I found that ... ironic.
You say you thought the piece was interesting because it was different from what the "regular outlets" are reporting. What do you think Fox News is, some backwater news outlet? It's the big boy. 2.5 million viewers, most in the U.S. It's not like it's voice is being suppressed.
You probably won't believe this, but I had the article pegged as a POS long before I knew who wrote it. In fact I didn't find it came from Carlson until just before I posted yesterday. That's why the mention of Carlson is tacked on to the end of the response.
My initial reaction was that you were making up the part of it coming from a cable news host because I didn't figure any legitimate person in that position would post something like that.
You're right, it is an opinion piece and as such no news value is really required, which is good because there's none there.
And since there's no news value, it's clear it's only purpose is to inflame. In my opinion, that makes it a POS. If you really don't see that, I don't know what to tell you.
|
|
|
Post by reevo on Jun 14, 2020 14:47:05 GMT -6
No worries Mills. My point on being fired was tongue in cheek though I do have to watch what I say because my organization relies on lots of large contributions. I cannot piss off my donors by sharing a difference of opinion or by saying something remotely political on Facebook that might offend someone. It is not the world we live in today is all I am trying to say.
Yes, Carlson can be over the top but I like to read different opinions even if I don’t agree with what is being said. I have a friend who Lives in Seattle and she told my wife and Ithat she is considering moving her family because it is gotten nuts. She is very much a liberal but she said it is not safe to walk down the streets anymore due to the homeless as well as the current climate which she says is not being reported honestly. I really don’t care about anyone’s politics. I only wish that regardless of what side you are on, we can have an honest account of what is really going on. I just don’t see that from ANY news feeds is ultimately what I am trying to say. We have to decide what is real and what isn’t anymore which is a shame!
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2020 18:09:58 GMT -6
Nothing surprises me about Seattle. My contact out there says the same thing about homeless, has said it in the past. That's not new.
Great city if you have money, not bad usually if don't. Unlike San Francisco.
The other thing I'm told we aren't hearing a lot about is the city counselwoman who is very bright, married to Microsoft high up and is apparently very abrasive and to boot a radical socialist.
She is up to her neck in this and surely is a wild card. But I don't know if anybody is really in charge in CHAZ. It's a hot mess of emotion, local politics, racial demonstration, crazy Seattle.
No simple story here that the media can show in a short segment is going to have it right.
|
|
|
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 15, 2020 5:41:24 GMT -6
And since there's no news value, it's clear it's only purpose is to inflame. In my opinion, that makes it a POS. If you really don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Do you think MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al., don't do the same thing? Don't pretend it's only Fox that does it, just because you agree with the other outlets. And yes, people are losing their jobs for the most vanilla stances. If you're not "woke" enough, "silence is violence", "I support good cops"... That's how you silence dissent. And crush freedom.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 9:21:47 GMT -6
And since there's no news value, it's clear it's only purpose is to inflame. In my opinion, that makes it a POS. If you really don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Do you think MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al., don't do the same thing? Don't pretend it's only Fox that does it, just because you agree with the other outlets. FOX is a little unusual in that their viewers are not across the political spectrum as much that of the major networks or CNN. MSNBC seems to have a more liberal audience but not quite to the same degree that FOX appeals to conservative viewers. The idea that conservatives are not part of the mainstream media audience is just false. But the FOX entertainment/opinion content has very little focus on liberal or moderate viewers.
mills is correctly distinguishing between the actual factual news coverage and the editorial or entertainment part of the programming. I view enough FOX to see distinct difference between their daytime and late afternoon programming and what I see after 7 PM. Same true on MSNBC.
Those more mainstream networks have much more motive to be balanced. FOX and MSNBC have less. Both of these networks feature more hybrid "opinion" content. It looks like news but there is far more editorial direction of the content and topical coverage.
One issue that muddies the waters is that FOX leverages Trump presence, and is so closely entangled with him. More than just political philosophy. It is active participation in his political life. I don't recall any other situation where a sitting President has so much linkage to television personalities on a particular network. He promotes FOX and FOX in many cases promotes his views. His rallies are major entertainment programming for example. We cannot pretend those events have much news value. There is rarely anything news in one.
That linkage has to raise issues of their objectivity. It is one thing for politicians to spin the news, it is another thing where the news outlet actively takes the party line and has to be sensitive to pleasing the politician.
These things are MUCH less true in network programming where the entertainment comes on after the evening news also, but cannot be confused with news either.
|
|
|
Post by bsutrack on Jun 15, 2020 14:48:54 GMT -6
Now if we could get back to the original premise of this thread, if the massive crowds of protesters for George Floyd's death and their total disregard for the lock down of the US population and social distancing would give us any insight into what might happen in the fall if college football were allowed to return. www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8422123/Minnesotas-COVID-19-cases-declining-despite-George-Floyd-protests.htmlThus far only 1 in 70 (1.4%) of the protesters in Minnesota have tested positive. As the article states, it's too early to tell for sure if the trend will continue, but aren't we within 7 to 14 day window for incubation? You could also argue that at least some of the 1.4% got infected from some other source than being with the protest crowds. I would argue thus far the experimental evidence is good for football returning in the fall.
|
|
|
Post by lmills72 on Jun 15, 2020 16:05:27 GMT -6
And since there's no news value, it's clear it's only purpose is to inflame. In my opinion, that makes it a POS. If you really don't see that, I don't know what to tell you. Do you think MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, et al., don't do the same thing? Don't pretend it's only Fox that does it, just because you agree with the other outlets. And yes, people are losing their jobs for the most vanilla stances. If you're not "woke" enough, "silence is violence", "I support good cops"... That's how you silence dissent. And crush freedom. I was responding specifically to the article that was offered for consideration. And since you haven't stated otherwise, I assume you also thought the piece was worthless. You just wanted to make the point that the other channels also carry worthless programming?
|
|
|
Post by cardfan on Jun 15, 2020 16:37:39 GMT -6
It’s a very small sample size, but I know a guy who now lives in Seattle. He was out and about and everything was peaceful. He said it wasn’t nearly how Fox has been portraying it. I do realize how quickly it could go south though.
|
|
|
Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2020 18:32:38 GMT -6
It’s a very small sample size, but I know a guy who now lives in Seattle. He was out and about and everything was peaceful. He said it wasn’t nearly how Fox has been portraying it. I do realize how quickly it could go south though. I believe all that.
If it is just loony and odd the Seattle resident might not even notice it was going on.
He'd probably be annoyed at all the press in town taking up parking places, and not like the barriers as he takes his short cut through downtown traffic.
|
|