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Post by 00hmh on Oct 27, 2021 9:09:49 GMT -6
I noticed Florida now has the lowest Covid rate in the nation. I wonder what MSNBC will say. Probably that they are leading the league in Covid serious illness and death rate since the early days when NY was slammed?
But maybe that since they are now de-emphasizing mitigation and vaccination the next wave will probably hurt them more than the rest of the country?
Since they had and still have a pretty high vaccination rate they missed on the delta surge by not finishing the race to be vaccinate, and are missing the best chance to avoid future waves.
In any case they led the league in suffering for some time and are avoiding very low cost mitigation and vaccination. Being against lock down when it was a logical choice I could understand that, it was pocketbook and tourism industry that created high cost, combined with preferring to believe Trump that it was just the flu. I don't agree, but understood it.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 27, 2021 9:31:49 GMT -6
I am sure MSNBC must have responded in some way, but there is one recent response here and it makes similar points to the one I make above.
Florida I hope is going to do well, since I am going to be down there during as much of the winter as I can be. Here are some facts from the article which are a fair response on the pluses and minuses.
"In all of 2020 — before vaccines essentially eliminated the risk of death for most recipients — 23,384 Floridians died of COVID-19. Now nearly as many — 21,000 and counting — have died in the past four months alone."
And that is after 90% of the elderly population which is highest risk have been protected. "Before Delta hit, Florida ranked 26th in the nation for cumulative COVID deaths per capita; now it ranks ninth."
That is not exactly doing well. I gotta wonder if they had promoted vaccines, and masking (until they finished the job on vaccination) they would be much better off.
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Post by bsutony on Oct 27, 2021 11:12:46 GMT -6
Hmmmm, I wonder why Florida would have a higher death rate? Could it be that they have the highest elderly population?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Oct 27, 2021 11:45:32 GMT -6
Hmmmm, I wonder why Florida would have a higher death rate? Could it be that they have the highest elderly population? Can't use common sense here. What the hell's wrong with you?? |
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Post by villagepub on Oct 27, 2021 11:54:50 GMT -6
Hmmmm, I wonder why Florida would have a higher death rate? Could it be that they have the highest elderly population? Can't use common sense here. What the hell's wrong with you?? I haven't moved to Florida due to the high mortality rate. I think I'll wait 15-20 more years to move to Florida. That should allow the mortality rate situation to blow over. |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 27, 2021 14:01:18 GMT -6
Hmmmm, I wonder why Florida would have a higher death rate? Could it be that they have the highest elderly population? Can't use common sense here. What the hell's wrong with you?? That is no longer quite as valid as before vaccine. Before vaccine Florida with its elderly population stayed around average because of warm weather in the Fall and limitations on gathering along with fairly good masking and mitigation efforts, especially in the retirement community.
Florida now has fewer elders not vaccinated than most states, and the elderly are not dying now if they are vaccinated.Common sense says that if the rest of the population had that vaccination rate, they'd be saving lives now. They are losing 135 lives a day where probably 100 would be prevented with 90% vaccination rate among eligible Floridians.
They got a decent start and declared victory and started playing politics. Sounds like the Trump formula on vaccines.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 28, 2021 8:52:26 GMT -6
Good analysis. Practical problems with equating vaccination with natural immunity in public policy decisions are mentioned.
We need to accept a clear need to vaccinate those not infected, or infected with higher risk remaining or uncertain degree of resulting immunity. Good suggestions on hybrid policy to balance things.
The whole debate becomes moot when we reach a high percentage of the population with reliable strong and known immunity. Vaccination is the best way to get that. Delaware County with 43% vaccination rate obviously not there...
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 29, 2021 22:45:40 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 31, 2021 9:59:15 GMT -6
I don't see people rushing to Vax their kids but as we all here agreed at some point all schools will make it mandatory Mixed response. But getting little super spreaders vaccinated by holidays should help. Another even more infectious variant on the way by Christmas. This year's story may be hospital crush by combo of a manageable Covid load, but more severe flu. We don't know yet how good that vaccine is. Can bet it will be heavier year by far than last for flu. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 2, 2021 12:44:58 GMT -6
For some reason I ended up watching the local news last night and they were talking about the pfizer vaccine and children. They showed 5 different survey results and all ended up being about the same. 1/3 of parents in every survey said they would have their kids vaccinated. This is close to the same results as my campfire survey a month or so ago
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2021 13:04:03 GMT -6
For some reason I ended up watching the local news last night and they were talking about the pfizer vaccine and children. They showed 5 different survey results and all ended up being about the same. 1/3 of parents in every survey said they would have their kids vaccinated. This is close to the same results as my campfire survey a month or so ago The survey above says about 1/3 are definitely planning on it. About 1/3 will wait and see, and 1/3 don't think so. What happens as it rolls out will probably change the numbers.
I agree with your group consensus that the vaccine will be mandatory like other vaccines at some point. The side effects are not much different in severity from several others on the list now. As experience plays out that will be a more certain statistic.
When they combine flu and Covid vaccines it will have some influence on people too. Eventually the anti vax sentiment will decline, it's gotten a big boost this year from the politics, usually the failure to vaccinate widely isn't much about conviction one way or the other but about convenience.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 2, 2021 17:00:29 GMT -6
My wife and I talked today we are wait and see. Not going to be first wave but not entirely opposed
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 2, 2021 21:33:58 GMT -6
All this is so unnecessary with the Covid-19 Delta variant spike following the same pattern it did in India and Indonesia; a 3-4 month bell curve followed by a lowering to a baseline level.
It highlights the error of assuming the fight is won.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 3, 2021 11:04:08 GMT -6
When is the pandemic considered to be over?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 3, 2021 11:17:52 GMT -6
When is the pandemic considered to be over? When it is no longer useful. |
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