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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 30, 2021 12:10:14 GMT -6
At this point we should all be able to agree that 1 the Vax Booster etc does not and will not keep you from getting covid. We should also be able to agree that at least for the original strain and Delta the Vax kept you from dying. The monkey wrench in this now is omicron appears to be a cold right now for most. If that holds true it's going to be nearly impossible to get the unvaxed vaxed Kind of like getting a flu shot. I don't like getting shots for something that's not going to kill me, or give me an illness with lasting effects, so I never get the flu shot. I'm not in a high risk group, so I'd rather develop a natural immunity. The part of this whole thing that's really bothering me is that nobody seems very concerned about finding out where this bug really came from, and how it got released. It wouldn't surprise me at all if China released it intentionally, given their low regard for life. But for some reason, our elected leaders aren't pushing very hard to find those responsible. I wonder why? |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 30, 2021 14:45:46 GMT -6
At this point we should all be able to agree that 1 the Vax Booster etc does not and will not keep you from getting covid. We should also be able to agree that at least for the original strain and Delta the Vax kept you from dying. The monkey wrench in this now is omicron appears to be a cold right now for most. If that holds true it's going to be nearly impossible to get the unvaxed vaxed Kind of like getting a flu shot. I don't like getting shots for something that's not going to kill me, or give me an illness with lasting effects, so I never get the flu shot. I'm not in a high risk group, so I'd rather develop a natural immunity. Omicron may not be quite as benign for the not vaccinated, the evidence is conclusive on that.
And as long as you are very careful around the vulnerable people you encounter your strategy is more understandable. But the evidence is mounting that vaccination PLUS infection is the real super immunity move. So if you do test positive, cross your fingers it isn't severe, then go get the shot.
The problem is still one of whether you inadvertently spread the virus either to someone vulnerable or to someone who is careless around vulnerable folks. Your freedom of choice should end at somebody else's nose so to speak.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 31, 2021 17:22:21 GMT -6
Oomh you mentioned the unvaxed in the other thread. At this point there is not going to be surge of people grabbing the vaccine its just not going to happen.
I'm not ever going to preach to anyone thats their choice. It's been proven the vaccine helps people not get as sick. If people want to roll the dice then that's on them.
It's also been proven that the vaccine does not prevent spread so the whole get vexed or your going to kill people does not really hold much water. The people the unvaxed might be killing are others who most likely feel the same as them so again that's on the them
The whole strain on the hospital system is true. My wife and many friends work in health care and the hospitals are fucked
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 31, 2021 17:39:11 GMT -6
You are not exactly right.
1. Vaccination does prevent spread. Partially.
The goal is to slow it. Keep the hospital system functioning.
2. Vaccination does prevent most serious illness. That helps others by not taking ICU space.
3. Not vaccinated does neither.
I have little problem with someone rolling the dice for themselves. But. Not for their kids, and others. Especially the vulnerable they may contact and inadvertently harm. Or the vulnerable somebody the infect contacts.
Many seem to ignore that part. You're risking others not just yourself.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 1, 2022 19:08:03 GMT -6
An interesting video out of England...The highlights are whereas Delta makes it all the way into the lung tissue, Omicron seems to stop in the bronchus and thus doesn't do as much damage. Also, Omicron replicates at a 70x rate to Delta, explaining why it's so much more transmissible. There are plenty of mainstream reliable sources that describe the possible difference in virus behavior. You will get better information without the questionable theorizing there: This week in a White House press briefing Fauci cited this same Hong Kong study as the nice old guy from England. www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2021/12/29/press-briefing-by-white-house-covid-19-response-team-and-public-health-officials-76/Fauci said the following: "And finally, some in vitro and animal data which addressed the issue of whether or not there is inherent lowering of virulence of the virus. In a study from Hong Kong, it was shown that although Omicron replicates faster than Delta in the bronchus, there’s less efficient replication in the lung." So now that your God Fauci has accepted the Hong Kong study, I guess you will also accept it as legitimate. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 1, 2022 19:52:05 GMT -6
Always accepted the possibility. Vetted by other scientists is the key. Not the fringe source you used.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 1, 2022 20:30:52 GMT -6
Strange twist at my house Wife tested positive vaxed not boosted. So far I've tested twice still negative Vaxed and boosted for me
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 1, 2022 21:54:18 GMT -6
Strange twist at my house Wife tested positive vaxed not boosted. So far I've tested twice still negative Vaxed and boosted for me We're all probably going to get Omicron, just have to slow it down as much as we can and somehow hope not too many serious cases for those not vaccinated. That is the big threat to the hospitals. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 1, 2022 22:27:07 GMT -6
Admit it or not that's sciences new strategy let everyone get this less potent version. Fucked up part is I have a headache and some nose issues but lije I said continue to test negative. My wife tested Thursday negative after symptoms started Wednesday. Tested again today and was positive. I tested yesterday and today both neg. I've also had these cold like symptoms since Wed as well. The difference in our symptoms is that she has a slight cough and scratchy throat(not sore). Symptoms for both of us really mild
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 2, 2022 0:33:54 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2022 6:36:08 GMT -6
I just wondered about the old anti vax guy mostly.
The theory, and unpublished studies, about milder but more virulent has been in other sources.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 2, 2022 8:49:50 GMT -6
We just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 2, 2022 10:19:36 GMT -6
We just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Yeah, we have to slow the thing down a little if possible. Probably cannot stop it.
The shame here is that since June when vaccines were fully available to most, we have had 250,000 deaths. Almost 200,000 were among those not vaccinated. Despite the most vulnerable mostly being in the vaccinated group, the 30%+ of the population not vaccinated are making up 80%+ of the casualties.
If you look at all cases and sort out all severe illness the disparity is actually slightly worse.
With Omicron I pray we will be lucky in the next month and while we are likely to have LOTS of cases, probably unavoidable, hopefully severe illness can be managed. Any way you cut it, deaths will be mostly unnecessary.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 3, 2022 1:27:04 GMT -6
Biden Dodges a Bullet
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin (fully vaccinated and boosted in October) has come down with Covid-19. His last face to face meeting with Joe Biden occurred on December 21, 2021 about 1 week before he began showing symptoms of Covid-19. Obviously if Joe Biden gets Covid-19 he's a goner and Harris takes over.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jan 3, 2022 8:26:12 GMT -6
We just need 2 weeks to flatten the curve. Yeah, we have to slow the thing down a little if possible. Probably cannot stop it.
The shame here is that since June when vaccines were fully available to most, we have had 250,000 deaths. Almost 200,000 were among those not vaccinated. Despite the most vulnerable mostly being in the vaccinated group, the 30%+ of the population not vaccinated are making up 80%+ of the casualties.
If you look at all cases and sort out all severe illness the disparity is actually slightly worse.
With Omicron I pray we will be lucky in the next month and while we are likely to have LOTS of cases, probably unavoidable, hopefully severe illness can be managed. Any way you cut it, deaths will be mostly unnecessary.
Where do you get those numbers? |
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