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Post by sweep on Jan 6, 2022 18:11:27 GMT -6
"In OO's prefect world everyone would be vaccinated against Covid-19. It would look something like the Princess Elisabeth Polar Station in Antarctica."
That is the central theme of his post, do you know what the term "thesis statement" means ? I also love how you removed his first sentence from your above quote of his post.
You are just an idiot................
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 7, 2022 0:04:25 GMT -6
Guess I should check-in more often. My intent with the Belgium Antarctica story, as well as my earlier posts about all the Chicago Bulls who where vaccinated and boosted and still got Covid-19, as well as the Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin who was vaccinated and boosted and still got the virus was to highlight how with each passing day it becomes more evident the vaccine is a dud. My concept of a vaccine is something that keeps you from getting something, not something that just lessens the degree to which you get it. It should also keep you from becoming a carrier to infect others. This vaccine does neither. In the case of the Antarctic group, they still got the virus after being vaccinated. They passed multiple screening tests probably because the viral load was extremely low in their bodies and then became carriers to infect their fellow expedition members. So if everyone was vaccinated and boosted, we would still be passing around Covid-19 just like the Belgium Antarctica group and hoping for a mild case. Hope really isn't much of a plan. While on the topic of testing, there is an article from last summer in Politico that gives some insight into why we lacked testing kits over the holidays. www.politico.com/news/2021/05/15/hhs-covid-stockpile-money-border-migrants-488427From the article: "The Department of Health and Human Services has diverted more than $2 billion meant for other health initiatives toward covering the cost of caring for unaccompanied immigrant children, as the Biden administration grapples with a record influx of migrants on the southern border. The redirected funds include $850 million that Congress originally allocated to rebuild the nation’s Strategic National Stockpile, the emergency medical reserve strained by the Covid-19 response. Another $850 million is being taken from a pot intended to help expand coronavirus testing, according to three people with knowledge of the matter. The reshuffling, which HHS detailed to congressional appropriators in notices over the last two months, illustrates the extraordinary financial toll that sheltering more than 20,000 unaccompanied children has taken on the department so far this year, as it scrambled to open emergency housing and add staff and services across the country." If those funds hadn't been redirected, maybe there would have been enough test kits over the holidays. So go ahead and pretend the crisis at the southern isn't adversely affecting the rest of the country.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 7, 2022 0:34:50 GMT -6
BTW, the monoclonal antibody treatment predominantly in use in FL doesn't work against Omicron... His strategy has failed as FL is maybe now the hottest hot spot. Thankfully the most vulnerable are 90%+ vax in FL. Their hospitals will be challenged by even so in the next few weeks. Unfortunately true, although one form, sotrovimab developed by Vir Biotechnolugy in San Francisco, CA seems to still be somewhat effective. The Biden Administration needs to be ramping-up its production, but will probably fail miserably As one commentator put it so well, " what was warp speed under Trump is now snail speed under Biden".
Miami-Dade and Broward Counties in Florida are bad, but the rest of the state isn't. There are large sections of New Jersey, Maryland, and the counties surrounding New York City that are just as bad. Those are of course Blue States which you will ignore. As for the 90%+ vax'ed, they will obviously be hoping for a mild case. The more severe their comorbidities, the more they will be hoping for a mild case.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2022 8:49:30 GMT -6
Masking, social distance are right now good ideas for the next few weeks to make sure the hospitals don't get swamped. almost everywhere in the country that would be reasonable and not much burden. In winter states with poor vaccination, it w ould make sense to push that one step and work at home, and in the worst cases take some measures like closing bars and limiting large gatherings.
We are talking short term measures, not a way of life. Hell. it makes sense for us to wear masks more during a regular flu season, a large number of countries around the world do that now. We can do it for a month.
If we had done it through the early variants of the pandemic we would have literally saved 100's of thousands of lives. Major shutdowns could have been limited to many fewer weeks and we'd have controlled the harm until vaccination came on line.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2022 8:56:17 GMT -6
BTW, the monoclonal antibody treatment predominantly in use in FL doesn't work against Omicron... His strategy has failed as FL is maybe now the hottest hot spot. Thankfully the most vulnerable are 90%+ vax in FL. Their hospitals will be challenged by even so in the next few weeks. Unfortunately true, although one form, sotrovimab developed by Vir Biotechnolugy in San Francisco, CA seems to still be somewhat effective. The Biden Administration needs to be ramping-up its production, but will probably fail miserably As one commentator put it so well, " what was warp speed under Trump is now snail speed under Biden".This is too fast moving a virus to wait for treatments. Even at "warp speed" the new treatments would not have been on the market. The drug companies dragged their feet without government barriers since they did not see the need for treatment when we had the summer lull before Omicron hit.
Omicron was a wild card, and assuming we had developed an Omicron specific treatment there was (and is) not telling that it would work had a different variant emerged.
The best technology is the wide spectrum vaccines being developed that promise to work against most conceivable variants. They are still months away.
That may be where a "warp speed" exemption would help.
Give the early response the US gave to vaccine development it's due! If only the President had pushed vaccination harder and had not enlisted the anti vax movement and Covid denial into his politics we'd be way ahead of the game. He did the right thing to subsidize the drug companies to develop vaccine. Then not much else right and quite a lot wrong.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 7, 2022 13:32:57 GMT -6
www.politico.com/news/2021/05/15/hhs-covid-stockpile-money-border-migrants-488427From the article: " The Department of Health and Human Services has diverted more than $2 billion meant for other health initiatives toward covering the cost of caring for unaccompanied immigrant children, as the Biden administration grapples with a record influx of migrants on the southern border.
The redirected funds include $850 million that Congress originally allocated to rebuild the nation’s Strategic National Stockpile, the emergency medical reserve strained by the Covid-19 response. Another $850 million is being taken from a pot intended to help expand coronavirus testing, according to three people with knowledge of the matter.
The reshuffling, which HHS detailed to congressional appropriators in notices over the last two months, illustrates the extraordinary financial toll that sheltering more than 20,000 unaccompanied children has taken on the department so far this year, as it scrambled to open emergency housing and add staff and services across the country." If those funds hadn't been redirected, maybe there would have been enough test kits over the holidays. So go ahead and pretend the crisis at the southern isn't adversely affecting the rest of the country. Always interesting to see what OO attempts to defend and what he doesn't. Of my posts from last night, the above passage is what I found most concerning. It shows where our current President's priorities are. Biden choose to take funds away from the safety and well-being of our current citizens for a bunch of law breakers who might someday become Democratic Voters. $850 million could have gone a long way in providing Covid-19 testing materials. Another $850 million to rebuild the nation's Strategic National Stockpile of medical supplies would have saved a lot of American lives in the future, maybe even now. Yet Biden obviously didn't care about that. Maybe last summer he thought the pandemic was over and he could get away with doing this? If so, he was sadly mistaken; like he is about so much going on today. Now maybe Politico is incorrect on this report. In a way it would be nice if they were. We had a president who was actually putting the health and welfare of us Americans first. But Politico as a publication is more left-leaning than right. If they say this about a Democrat, it's probably correct.
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Post by bsutrack on Jan 7, 2022 13:51:18 GMT -6
In today's Supreme Court hearing on Biden's Covid-19 mandates the leftist Justice Sotamayor showed some amazing lack of knowledge concerning Covid-19. She made the following claims.
1) J. Sotamayor said Omicron is as deadly as Delta. All the data says otherwise.
2) Claimed that there are 100,000 children in serious condition in the US with many on ventilators. Actually the HHS data shows 3,342 most of which are in for other conditions and only were found to be Covid positive when tested after admission.
3) Claimed Covid deaths are at an all-time high. Maybe she has precognition, but as of today death rates in the US are still half what they were back in the winter of 2020-21. Maybe she got confused with infection rates?
4) Sotomayor doesn't seem to know the vaccinated can pass along the virus to others.
5) Said OSHA's regulatory authority is a federal "police power".
One would think a Supreme Court Justice would be either better informed and/or more intelligent. And Biden wants to pack the Supreme Court with more of these!
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 7, 2022 15:31:02 GMT -6
She made the following claims. 5) Said OSHA's regulatory authority is a federal "police power". One would think a Supreme Court Justice would be either better informed and/or more intelligent. And Biden wants to pack the Supreme Court with more of these!The term police power does not belong there, but creation of OSHA is legitimate exercise of the Commerce Power and the agency rule making is a product of a well established principle of delegation by Congress to an agency powers the Congress has. OSHA when created was given a fairly broad mission.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 11, 2022 8:41:05 GMT -6
"In OO's prefect world everyone would be vaccinated against Covid-19. It would look something like the Princess Elisabeth Polar Station in Antarctica." That is the central theme of his post, do you know what the term "thesis statement" means ? I also love how you removed his first sentence from your above quote of his post. You are just an idiot................ Well if there is something idiotic about encouraging vaccination, I don't know what it is. Your point? What exactly is your thesis? What's idiotic is compare the Polar Station with the rest of the world.
Look at the current up to date data on vaccination versus those not vaccinated in a much more relevant population:
Look at the gap not just in cases but in deaths. And considering the elderly and vulnerable are MORE vaccinated than not, and those not vaccinated are generally more young and more naturally able to fight the disease the difference is striking.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 11, 2022 10:13:40 GMT -6
You guys still arguing over here? At this point it's became survival of the fittest. With the new guidelines and a weaker variant admit or not the new strategy is let everyone get it.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 11, 2022 16:16:52 GMT -6
You guys still arguing over here? At this point it's became survival of the fittest. With the new guidelines and a weaker variant admit or not the new strategy is let everyone get it. Strategy??
I think the "strategy" is to give up on people doing enough, but does still rely on vaccination to make that everyone get it thing work out.
And it will be touch and go whether the hospitals system survives this strategy. We have burnt out too many people who are not paid well to start with. Long term we better correct that...
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Post by sweep on Jan 11, 2022 16:20:34 GMT -6
You guys still arguing over here? At this point it's became survival of the fittest. With the new guidelines and a weaker variant admit or not the new strategy is let everyone get it.
We have burnt out too many people who are not paid well to start with. Long term we better correct that...
Oh yeah medical professionals are so underpaid. What planet do you live on ? Everyone in that industry is well compensated. Most RN's make way more than you do.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 11, 2022 16:51:37 GMT -6
You guys still arguing over here? At this point it's became survival of the fittest. With the new guidelines and a weaker variant admit or not the new strategy is let everyone get it. Strategy??
I think the "strategy" is to give up on people doing enough, but does still rely on vaccination to make that everyone get it thing work out.
And it will be touch and go whether the hospitals system survives this strategy. We have burnt out too many people who are not paid well to start with. Long term we better correct that...
The people who are not yet vaxed are going to suddenly rin out and get vaxed now. You might pick up a few but most will hear omicron is weaker this making them less likely than ever to get vaxed. Only the deeply committed folks are still trying to rally everyone else has reached fuck it stage
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 11, 2022 18:02:48 GMT -6
All sadly true.
Forget the unnecessary death or suffering. Those who end up in ICU after saying "f... it, I don't care" will not have my sympathy.
But it's sad to see those who won't get care who could under normal conditions because that bed is full.
Really sad to see health care workers busting ass and being burnt out. They suffer for the mistake and misguided "principle" of others.
It's unconscionable.
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 11, 2022 18:07:11 GMT -6
Oh yeah medical professionals are so underpaid. What planet do you live on ? Everyone in that industry is well compensated. Most RN's make way more than you do. You're certifiably nuts. Must not know anyone in health care during this period to say they're paid enough to go through this. To repeat the point you omit and ignore, short term it will be touch and go whether the hospitals system survives this strategy. We have burnt out too many people who are not paid well to start with. Long term we better correct that..
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