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Post by david75bsu on Aug 3, 2020 14:13:06 GMT -6
I have already made a request to have my season ticket purchase refunded. I supported Ish when he had the march from campus to the courthouse. Doing things on ones own time is ok. However, when you are representing the University at an event, I feel this is not the time for personal messages. Game time is for entertainment, not indoctrination. I’d like to see an empty stadium until this stuff stops.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 3, 2020 14:22:00 GMT -6
Unless their choices include "2nd Amendment" or "Choose Life", then they're going to alienate half their audience.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 3, 2020 14:34:13 GMT -6
I don’t give a crap what it says as long as it’s not obscene and it still says Ball State Cardinals. If there is a season I’ll want to see the TEAM play. I support the TEAM. I don’t love it, but this is the time we’re living in and if BSU wants to field competitive teams they gotta let today’s kids express themselves or they’ll play at a school that does. Simple as that. The times they are a changing and people are going to have to change with them. Or, leave in a snit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2020 14:38:15 GMT -6
FootballScoop had a small story on this last week; a few of the highlights, or should I say lowlights:
The NCAA will allow players to change their uniforms to support social justice causes, the organization announced Thursday.
The change was approved by the Playing Rules Oversight Panel (PROP) and applies across all sports.
Players will be allowed to wear patches — not to exceed 2 1/4 square inches — on the front or side of their uniform “intended to celebrate or memorialize people, events or other causes.”
Players will also be allowed to place messages on the backs of their uniforms in the spot where their last name traditionally goes.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 3, 2020 14:54:04 GMT -6
If a team is winning people aren’t going to notice a patch you probably can’t even read from the stands. Not on a football uniform at least. And I’d be too busy celebrating a TD or the defense forcing a turnover to care what a little patch says. Maybe some guys will have their favorite bible verse on their patch. I’d be fine with that too. There will be some things I might not personally agree with, but like I said, it’s not going to be obscene so so what?
I do think they have to keep it a social cause and not political. From what I could tell from the article they won’t allow political statements. I do hope it remains positive.
Another thing, these are college kids. While the games are entertaining, they are not there for just for our entertainment. And, I might be soft, but I’m not so soft as to let a two inch patch on a uniform offend me into not supporting my team.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 3, 2020 16:22:36 GMT -6
My patch today says "Tempest in a teapot"
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Post by cardfan on Aug 3, 2020 16:40:27 GMT -6
My patch today says "Tempest in a teapot" I like it! Mine will say “2020 sucks!” |
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 3, 2020 16:40:50 GMT -6
So I found an article listing some of the messages NBA players have on their uniforms. Here's what it listed:
Equality
Education Reform
Peace
Black Lives Matter
How Many More?
Say Their Names (alt. Say Her Name)
I Can't Breathe
Anti-Racist
I Am A Man
Enough
Respect Us
Love Us
Speak Up
Stand Up
Us
Vote
I think if you asked the university leadership they'd probably say they agree with the vast majority of these messages and they'd probably say they've agreed with them for a couple of decades at least (of course some are more recent "I Can't Breathe"). So when kids are representing the university, I don't know that it's out of line to promote something the university supports anyway. Hell, I'd expect lamp posts around the university to carry banners with some of these messages come fall.
As for keeping it non-political, let's not kid ourselves. This is all political. Of course, I assume what they don't want is someone wearing "Trump" or "Biden" on their jersey.
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 3, 2020 17:02:35 GMT -6
Unless their choices include "2nd Amendment" or "Choose Life", then they're going to alienate half their audience. I'd assume some kids might want to use those, along with things like "Law & Order," "Support The Police," "Thin Blue Line." It'll be interesting to see whether the NCAA and the universities (and other players) support those choices. There are a helluva lot worse things that could pop up. The demographic of the NCAA athletic population is a little different than that of the NBA. Some kids ideas of social justice might not be today's accepted norm. Just for the hell of it, I'd love to see some BSU women's team show up with half the team sporting "Choose Life" and the half other sporting "Pro Choice." Nothing like this to bring a team together. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 3, 2020 17:16:25 GMT -6
Man, people these days don't miss ANY opportunity to cram their political opinions down your throat, do they?
Here would be a good one: "Blacks murder 5,000 blacks a year"
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Post by talbright83 on Aug 3, 2020 17:38:05 GMT -6
That's certainly stepping over a line, isn't it ?
On murders, it happens that the same nationalities murder each other more than one nationality to another. For example, more Australians murder Australians, than Italians murder Australians. Same is true for demographics in America. Facts show that whether it is Hispanic on Hispanic, Black on Black, etc. When it is said and pointed out the way that you just did, that comes from a whole different place. Thanks for clarifying your position with me.
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 3, 2020 17:55:54 GMT -6
The point I have made on Facebook is that every American is guaranteed Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness. We should all work to make sure that this happens. I have spent my life doing this work. But, when it comes to riots, looting businesses, and killing people, that’s where I draw a line - no questions asked. But again, I go to a game to for entertainment and not indoctrination. I will get a refund on my season tickets and will not financially support the University until this stops. Ish did it the correct way this summer. This hurts me a lot more than the University. I have been a season ticket holder since the early seventies. I’m depressed, but with time, I’ll get over it.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 3, 2020 18:05:12 GMT -6
That's certainly stepping over a line, isn't it ? On murders, it happens that the same nationalities murder each other more than one nationality to another. For example, more Australians murder Australians, than Italians murder Australians. Same is true for demographics in America. Facts show that whether it is Hispanic on Hispanic, Black on Black, etc. When it is said and pointed out the way that you just did, that comes from a whole different place. Thanks for clarifying your position with me. Yes...stepping over the line into facts you'd rather not think about and aren't used to being confronted with. Do all these various groups murder each other at the same rate? Or maybe do some groups do a whole lot more murdering than others? By a very wide margin maybe even? Also I note that nobody is putting a message about Italians murdering Australians on the jersey they wear while playing for a publicly funded institution. So it's not really relevant or necessary to point out who actually murders the most Australians. BTW, here is your next point you want to make: some groups are not to blame for the murders they commit because some groups are never to blame for ANY of their own actions....up to and including shooting bullets at people. |
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Post by cardfan on Aug 3, 2020 18:07:58 GMT -6
The point I have made on Facebook is that every American is guaranteed Life, Liberty, and the PURSUIT of Happiness. We should all work to make sure that this happens. I have spent my life doing this work. But, when it comes to riots, looting businesses, and killing people, that’s where I draw a line - no questions asked. But again, I go to a game to for entertainment and not indoctrination. I will get a refund on my season tickets and will not financially support the University until this stops. Ish did it the correct way this summer. This hurts me a lot more than the University. I have been a season ticket holder since the early seventies. I’m depressed, but with time, I’ll get over it. So you’re saying a 2 inch patch in a kid’s jersey is going to indoctrinate you? Or you fear that it will? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 3, 2020 18:20:04 GMT -6
I have no problems with a patch and I do not see how it hurts anything.. Everyone is entitled to their own beliefs and while we will never all agree on everything lets keep it civil..
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