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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 4, 2020 1:09:00 GMT -6
Just out of curiosity, if an athlete, who happens to be a practicing Christian, wears a patch of a cross on the jersey front and on the back "Jesus Saves" in the name area will the NCAA (aka Nike Controlled Athletic Ass-hats) allow that? Or suppose the name area bears something such as "Stop Abortion", will that be allowed? Good question, it would seem like it should be allowed.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 5:10:41 GMT -6
Arizona was right about the issue of how you draw a line. It's a problem. Some limits needed, but we'll see what the procedure results in. And what the athletes want.
I've been around college students for 50+ years, hard to predict what they say. Mostly influenced by peers.
In any case, it just doesn't seem a big problem, except what the adults make it of course, either way, it's a small patch...
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 4, 2020 5:36:33 GMT -6
Isn't that the message being taught? It's more in this case what they see their role models in sports are saying and others in society. Professors have enough trouble influencing academic opinion. You overrate their influence. As people are bullied into submission...
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 4, 2020 5:37:41 GMT -6
This is not a new thing we have worn breast cancer patches, We wear patches for fallen team members. We wore patches for 911. This is a small patch if a kid wants to put BLM or a some other quote its not going to hurt anything and honestly if we as a school said no we are not going to allow it. The backlash from the players would be a distraction. I do not agree with a lot of things but this is not the battle to take on Have you read the demands of the BLM movement?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 5:44:59 GMT -6
The BLM slogan and the political group are NOT really the same. The political group trademark now is now a much more generic phrase with meaning unrelated to the formal group manifesto or views.
Most people using BLM probably mean all lives should matter and saying black lives too often do not. Pretty mild sentiment.
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 4, 2020 5:45:14 GMT -6
This is not a new thing we have worn breast cancer patches, We wear patches for fallen team members. We wore patches for 911. This is a small patch if a kid wants to put BLM or a some other quote its not going to hurt anything and honestly if we as a school said no we are not going to allow it. The backlash from the players would be a distraction. I do not agree with a lot of things but this is not the battle to take on Have you read the demands of the BLM movement? Yes, and it is not good.
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 4, 2020 5:46:34 GMT -6
I will say the conversation has been good, good points on both sides.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 5:50:08 GMT -6
This is not a new thing we have worn breast cancer patches, We wear patches for fallen team members. We wore patches for 911. This is a small patch if a kid wants to put BLM or a some other quote its not going to hurt anything and honestly if we as a school said no we are not going to allow it. The backlash from the players would be a distraction. I do not agree with a lot of things but this is not the battle to take on Exactly true. It's a positive the kids have an opinion, but unlikely they have thought everything out and likely want it to support their professional athlete role models as much as to make any heavy statement. We shouldn't make it something bigger than that.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 5:53:25 GMT -6
Have you read the demands of the BLM movement? Yes, and it is not good. The harm would be to give the BLM political group credit for their words, very few of those now using those 3 letters mean to do that, though.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Aug 4, 2020 5:57:31 GMT -6
Most people using BLM probably mean all lives should matter and saying black lives too often do not. Good luck saying that in the middle of one of their "protests"...
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 4, 2020 7:11:13 GMT -6
Most people using BLM probably mean all lives should matter and saying black lives too often do not. Pretty mild sentiment.
Completely false.
Google the phrase "all lives matter fired" and see how many people have lost their jobs for that blasphemy against BLM.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 7:50:40 GMT -6
Most people using BLM probably mean all lives should matter and saying black lives too often do not. Pretty mild sentiment.
Completely false.
Google the phrase "all lives matter fired" and see how many people have lost their jobs for that blasphemy against BLM.
What that mean is saying "All lives matters" is often said when one does not want to accept that Black lives matter, maybe it is really a statement that Black lives don't matter? It is to those who are doing the firing I would guess.
Neither phrase is effective communication unless there is context.
My statement is surely NOT "completely false." That's exaggerated and just rhetoric.
If it was true how is it that I know many who mean the phrase exactly as I represented it when they say BLM. I bet you do too, for example, me...
I personally know nobody who means that ONLY black lives matter. But while I am equally sure that most don't mean that black lives don't matter, I do personally know a few who probably do meant that.
What we do know is some here say we should simply never look at race at all in police shootings, and that is an absolute that is false...There are unfortunately surely SOME cases where race matters in black death at the hand of white police officers.
Making absolute statements without being very careful is wrought with possible error, isn't it? We surely agree there?
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Post by Hoopsmith on Aug 4, 2020 7:54:34 GMT -6
Bold take here: If this goes through, every single one of us is going to see some patch they object to. The question is, what are you gonna do about it, brush it off or vote with your feet when the inevitable happens? It's like the license plates for special-interest groups in Indiana and a lot of other states. Many applauded when "In God We Trust" or "Choose Life" was put on plates... until "LGBT youth" or some such wanted (and received) their own plate. Get ready for the BLM and Thin Blue Line plates, because they're coming
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 8:09:58 GMT -6
Most people using BLM probably mean all lives should matter and saying black lives too often do not. Pretty mild sentiment. Completely false.
Google the phrase "all lives matter fired" and see how many people have lost their jobs for that blasphemy against BLM.
Seriously, General, how many cases do you see there? I just did that search and don't see very much evidence that it is widespread or common at all. The answer seems to be "Not very many at all."
Most hits on about 10 pages of search results I looked at seem to be from sources with an audience on the right repeating each other, and I can't see any significant number of other cases. Maybe I missed it but I didn't see a clear cut one that did not involve a lot more than simply saying that.
I did see several where along with saying that the speaker said other things. And they did not make clear whether they were representing their employer or acting in purely personal capacity. If you are a school superintendent or are representing a group who deals with upset people of color it is poor judgment to get into public debate without being careful. Especially in the middle of a political firestorm. In a couple of these cases the person was not very careful at all to represent his organization well in those statements.
The announcer for the Kings comes up prominently, but he apologized and resigned under fire. And that seems less to do with ideology of his employer, more to do with economics of opposing something the NBA supported.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 4, 2020 8:10:45 GMT -6
Bold take here: If this goes through, every single one of us is going to see some patch they object to. The question is, what are you gonna do about it, brush it off or vote with your feet when the inevitable happens? It's like the license plates for special-interest groups in Indiana and a lot of other states. Many applauded when "In God We Trust" or "Choose Life" was put on plates... until "LGBT youth" or some such wanted (and received) their own plate. Get ready for the BLM and Thin Blue Line plates, because they're coming How about ignoring it? I know I don't read license plates very much...
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