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Post by david75bsu on Aug 8, 2020 14:02:09 GMT -6
The only hope with the spring is everyone, Power 5 included, moves to the spring and the 2 Big Ten games come back into play. CBS sports wrote a lengthy article recently why that wasn't going to happen; the main drivers being the NFL and Power 5 teams getting ready to play again in the fall of 2021. I think a bigger concern right now is: will the fall of 2021 even be doable? Fauci made a speech at Brown University on Friday where he said a vaccine might only by 50 to 60% effective. www.zerohedge.com/political/fauci-says-coronavirus-vaccine-may-only-be-50-or-60-effectiveIf that's the case, the situation in the fall 2021 will not be much different from today for 2020. If MAC players tend to think they will not only being losing 2020, but 2021 too, the exodus will be huge. Also kiss goodbye any high school player currently committed. Fauci would have us lock down until hell freezes over. We will be back to normal by next spring. If not, we can all kiss our asses goodbye because the world will be economically and mentally bankrupt. I don’t know how many of you took economics, my national income account course was pure hell, but government can’t keep writing checks. At some point inflation sets in, even hyperinflation. The dummies in Washington and at CDC better get their heads out of the collective asses or we'll be burning paper money for fuel because it won’t be worth anything and you won’t be able to afford to heat your home. Not trying to play doom and gloom, but that can be the result of a nation spending six trillion dollars you don’t have, it’s time for a reality check.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 8, 2020 15:04:13 GMT -6
Lock down until we hit livable equilibrium is bitter medicine. But probably best. Pretending we don't have a problem will not work.
NOT doing that lockdown will mean longer time of disease out of control. Costly death toll, greater spending by government required.
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 8, 2020 17:06:21 GMT -6
Lock down until we hit livable equilibrium is bitter medicine. But probably best. Pretending we don't have a problem will not work. NOT doing that lockdown will mean longer time of disease out of control. Costly death toll, greater spending by government required. Nobody is pretending we don’t have a problem, the point is we have to come out of lockdown sooner rather than later. The “costs” to not do so is also huge. Whether we come out of it next month or next year, chances are we will get worse in the short term. Hiding in the closet from the bogeyman only means your going to have to face him later. The economic hurt for many will be difficult to overcome because we have already killed off a number of employers. Again, sooner rather than later.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 8, 2020 18:58:08 GMT -6
Sooner rather than later isn't the same as too soon, which is what we did.
And when we come out it doesn't mean ignoring the science and pretending it's normal.
We screwed this up. Too soon, too careless, and badly managed.
Bad individual decisions, but very poor government leadership. The rules were broken by almost every governor as the President urged them on and takes no responsibility.
I've lost two people close to me, see more unnecessary death coming. Don't tell me about this being good economics either. We gambled and lost with this strategy, not clear how we turn it around. Not by doubling down on it.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Aug 8, 2020 19:53:42 GMT -6
Sorry for your losses. But I think we needed to open up, but more cautiously. Bars should not have been opened anywhere. No way to social distance and masks can’t really be effective. Personal decisions to gather were also a problem. But I put that on individual selfishness. Controlling individuals always difficult. So innocent people then get affected.
As for us personally, we are going nowhere and only doing outdoor activities. More cautious than most, We are retired, so easier, I get that. People, just use common sense and mask up.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 8, 2020 20:19:50 GMT -6
My Dad has it right now and is struggling with it. My mom had it in February(confirmed by anti body test)and is still struggling. I had the anti body test and the doctor said it was likely that I also had it(march). My mom and I had it before anyone knew much about it so no fault of our own. I hate to say it but my Dad probably deserved to catch it because he took no precautions to try and avoid it.(Lives in Georgia and like many in the south is antimask and thought it was all a conspiracy)
At the start of this whole shit show I leaned toward the its not so bad its not going to happen to me crowd. This was before I found out I probably had it and my change of heart probably did not fully happen to recently. This shit is not going anywhere doing what we are doing. I do not have the answer how to fix it but everyday Im hearing do you know (insert name) tested positive. This never happened till the last month. Im not for a total shutdown at all but I am for everyone masking up as much as possible. Maybe it does not work at all but what does it really hurt to just do it
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 8, 2020 20:34:15 GMT -6
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 8, 2020 20:49:19 GMT -6
Sooner rather than later isn't the same as too soon, which is what we did. And when we come out it doesn't mean ignoring the science and pretending it's normal. We screwed this up. Too soon, too careless, and badly managed. Bad individual decisions, but very poor government leadership. The rules were broken by almost every governor as the President urged them on and takes no responsibility. I've lost two people close to me, see more unnecessary death coming. Don't tell me about this being good economics either. We gambled and lost with this strategy, not clear how we turn it around. Not by doubling down on it. Sorry to hear about your losses. We are traveling in uncharted waters. Not sure anyone would have done things much different, regardless of the chatter. However, it is personal and I am truly sorry for your losses. God bless.
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 8, 2020 22:15:02 GMT -6
Sooner rather than later isn't the same as too soon, which is what we did. And when we come out it doesn't mean ignoring the science and pretending it's normal. We screwed this up. Too soon, too careless, and badly managed. Bad individual decisions, but very poor government leadership. The rules were broken by almost every governor as the President urged them on and takes no responsibility. I've lost two people close to me, see more unnecessary death coming. Don't tell me about this being good economics either. We gambled and lost with this strategy, not clear how we turn it around. Not by doubling down on it. I still prefer the Swedish model. A Nation of 10 million down to only 3 Covid-19 deaths per day without doing an economic killing lock down.
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 8, 2020 22:34:47 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 9, 2020 5:57:26 GMT -6
Sooner rather than later isn't the same as too soon, which is what we did. And when we come out it doesn't mean ignoring the science and pretending it's normal. We screwed this up. Too soon, too careless, and badly managed. Bad individual decisions, but very poor government leadership. The rules were broken by almost every governor as the President urged them on and takes no responsibility. I've lost two people close to me, see more unnecessary death coming. Don't tell me about this being good economics either. We gambled and lost with this strategy, not clear how we turn it around. Not by doubling down on it. I still prefer the Swedish model. View AttachmentA Nation of 10 million down to only 3 Covid-19 deaths per day without doing an economic killing lock down. We aren't Sweden. Different demographics, health systems, not many multigenerational families living together, lower population density, and so on. Much different economy and government safety net, and they have a consistent plan even if one that leads the league in Europe in death rate even if it is better than ours. Plus they they shut down universities, banned large gatherings,are doing better with social distance and masks, which we are botching. Apparently much less ignorant or much more compliant with better government leadership. We've been "Swedish" since May and it isn't working very well for us for all these reasons.
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 9, 2020 7:56:44 GMT -6
We probably need to move away from this discussion and get back to MAC football and basketball - that which units us and brought us together as friends to begin with. These other issues belong elsewhere. I know I have been part of the issue, but I’d like to see us united as MAC fans.
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 9, 2020 8:54:42 GMT -6
Nice sentiment, but it's hard to separate sports from public health and politics these days.
Right now there is virtually no MAC sports story worth discussing that doesn't involve the other two things.
We could just shut down the board until BSU/MAC announces plans to play sports again. I'd be fine with that. Somebody around here control the "Disable Comments" button?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 9, 2020 9:52:54 GMT -6
Nice sentiment, but it's hard to separate sports from public health and politics these days. Right now there is virtually no MAC sports story worth discussing that doesn't involve the other two things. We could just shut down the board until BSU/MAC announces plans to play sports again. I'd be fine with that. Somebody around here control the "Disable Comments" button? I could probably do that but I think we are all adults and no one is forcing anyone to comment
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Post by bsutrack on Aug 9, 2020 11:26:26 GMT -6
We aren't Sweden. they have a consistent plan even if one that leads the league in Europe in death rate Wrong on your facts again. Sweden does not lead Europe in death rates (see attached bar graph). Belgium at 86.08 per 100,000, the United Kingdom at 69.64, Spain at 60.72 and Italy at 58.3 per 100,000 all have greater death rates than Sweden, but don't let the facts get in the way of a good rebuttal.
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