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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 3, 2020 10:27:41 GMT -6
I'm not on campus anymore but fuck it, I'll take a day off work, go sit in a class, and then walk out of it! power to the people! lol
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 3, 2020 10:33:10 GMT -6
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Sept 9, 2020 8:05:23 GMT -6
We're over 900 including employees.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 9, 2020 8:33:48 GMT -6
I looked at a lot of schools numbers the other day.. BSU is not really much different than other like schools
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2020 13:20:30 GMT -6
I looked at a lot of schools numbers the other day.. BSU is not really much different than other like schools If that is the right number, that 58% does look pretty high. Lots of places lower. IU dorms less than 5%. Even IU fraternities are "only" 25%. Of course those numbers and the lower numbers from Purdue may come from testing many more people rather than just the ones who have symptoms and go get a test which is our method.
Contrary to the medical wisdom of the genius in the WH, that is a good idea, more tests generally mean lower rate of cases which is what is relevant, not the total number of cases.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 9, 2020 19:01:00 GMT -6
All of that is true.. I know IU tested every incoming freshman the day they were moving in. Again they have the money and resources to do that. I would not consider IU or Purdue like us except we are in the same state. Southern Illinois is like us 1100 cases last week Ga State is like us over 1000 cases last week...
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 9, 2020 19:13:55 GMT -6
I don't see the raw number of positives at a given college as the most critical number. I would ask what would be the expected number of positives in the student body if they WEREN'T at school. Then I would compare the risk posed to vulnerable (i.e. old) people posed by the positive students on campus as compared to the risk posed by positive students if they weren't on campus.
I also firmly believe it's more important to test students at the end of the semester, rather than at the beginning. I have heard some schools are doing this. I would make the award of credits for the semester contingent on taking a COVID test.
There can be a lot more to thinking about COVID than whether you do or don't like Trump.
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 9, 2020 19:15:04 GMT -6
No surprise in Georgia, Illinois has been doing reasonably well.
But it's going to hit the fan sometime in October when flu season starts up. Mildly surprised we are doing as well as we are.
Looks like we may make it into October with school in session. Basketball practice and a season look like they have a fighting chance.
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 9, 2020 19:28:18 GMT -6
Here are some stats from Dr. Andrew Bostom Associate Professor of Medicine at Brown University Medical School from September 8th, 2020: 25,941 positive tests from 29 college campuses with a total of zero hospitalizations. Has anyone at BSU been hospitalized? Anyone on a ventilator? Remember the goal of flattening the curve? Ensuring that hospitals weren’t overrun? Well, what do you call a scenario where thousands of cases result in zero hospitalizations? I’d call it the ultimate flat curve – or downright flat line. Yet rather than recognizing the detection of mild cases among college students as portents of good news, universities continue to sow panic. If we had in place the strict eligibility threshold for COVID-19 testing that we had in March when tests were scarce, we quite literally would not know the “epidemic” of mild and asymptomatic cases on college campus even exists. After being open for weeks, college campuses have no reported deaths or even hospitalizations that I can find. You might say that’s because they’ve done such an amazing job preventing cases. Nope: They have tons of reported cases. The horror! Some asymptomatic cases. What are they going to do during the flu season when even young people actually get sick for a week? The entire purpose of counting cases during an epidemic is because they might predict mass casualties. During this pseudo-epidemic on college campuses, they need to count cases to even know they exist. But if they don’t result in serious illness, then what is the purpose of counting them more than rhinovirus colds? Then there is the issue of what exactly these PCR tests are detecting. Many of them could be false positives, insignificant viral loads, or the dead RNA of a virus that passed weeks ago still being carried around in the student’s nasal passages. There is no metric for any of this being monitored in the testing
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 9, 2020 19:33:22 GMT -6
Yea I would have thought they would have closed but the reality is 99% of these kids are going to get it be fine and then have some antibodies. I also understand its not just about the kids and that the older faculty members are at risk. That one is harder to justify but its like anything else its about the money and BSU just can not make it with out kids living on campus
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Post by bsutrack on Sept 21, 2020 19:48:10 GMT -6
Anyone notice the recent BSU tracking trends? Positive tests reported by IU Health (red bars) topped-out the week of August 24-30th at 194 cases, then decreased the following 2 weeks followed by 0 last week. Positive tests from other reports (black bars) peaked one week later, August 31 to September 6th at 287 cases, decreasing to 27 last week (Sept 14-20th). Recoveries (blue bars) peaked the week of September 7-13th at 484 and decreased to 218 last week. This week opened with 55 active cases which after Monday declined to 37 (20 recoveries, 2 new positives). To those on campus, what the heck happened? From the data, Covid-19 appears to be ending on campus, but why: 1) Is the recent data posted on the dashboard inaccurate? 2) Have most courses moved online so the number of students on campus is next to zero? 3) Are students still getting infected, but due to their course loads don't have time to get tested like they did at the beginning of the semester? 4) Has IU Health has run out of testing supplies and thus can't test anyone? 5) Approximately 5% of the student population has tested positive. Are the remaining 95% good, responsible students who wear their masks, go straight back to their dorms after class, and don't attend weekend parties? In other words the "bad seeds" have been infected and the remaining responsible ones don't spread Covid-19. Or is there another reason? If you apply the CDC "rule of thumb" that for every positive test there are another 9 that go unreported, the 5% of the student population who tested positive would mean 50% actually had it. Add in those with natural immunity from being exposed to in their past to other Coronaviruses and Herd Immunity Threshold (HIT) has been reached on campus. You know I was going there, right?
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 21, 2020 21:03:28 GMT -6
Or the really concerned people were the ones getting tested and no one else really gives a shit because for them its not that bad
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 22, 2020 6:26:16 GMT -6
Or the really concerned people were the ones getting tested and no one else really gives a shit because for them its not that bad That's undoubtedly true to explain volume of Testing. Testing isn't the strong point of BSU plan. I'd like to see more random testing and reports on positive rate. Anything we say now is latgely speculative. Masks and other mitigation steps are very good on campus. Off campus harder to judge. Relatively fewer big social events like tailgating, and frat parties. So far so good it seems. There is better contact tracing and quarantine than for general Muncie community. As weather gets colder and social life is groups of people indoors together more it's expected we see some trouble. With mostly young population, more healthy than general population, good practices, I'm not sure we'd expect much different results, so far faculty staff have fared well, indicating good practices on campus. Every day adds to risks there, have to stay observant. Delaware County has spiked, now down, but not good, and that is hard to separate from statewide trends. And after all is the important picture where we don't have really good practices or good testing.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 22, 2020 8:25:42 GMT -6
Delaware County is going to be fine in covid numbers soon enough. They got screwed by the bsu numbers and some breakouts at the highschools. Those peaked around the same time as bsu and like the bsu numbers those have fell off to almost nothing now
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Post by rmcalhoun on Sept 22, 2020 8:29:44 GMT -6
I dont think you can write off the entire her community theory though. I dont think we are anywhere near that as a county deff not as a country but I think in certain densely populated areas its probably happening
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