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Post by calpoly on Feb 3, 2021 12:05:22 GMT -6
Kind of worries me that his background is semi-reminiscient of Whitford's. I'd like to go outside the box. By that either a Division 2 head coach or what Akron did with john groce , hard target a coach who was fired at a major conference school who would fit the MAC better. I realize option 2 could be out of our price range though, but point being I am in favor of doing something very different this time around because we've hirrd 4 straight failures. I feel last 20 yr most of pur hires have been "up and coming"age 35-40 yr old assistant coaches and while that worked with Hunsicker, it hasnt lately. If you want go the DII route, here is a list of candidates. I don't know anything about any of them. www.silverwavesmedia.com/news_article/show/1107786Surely Lonnie Blow at Ball U is a front runner
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2021 12:30:56 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
Completely wrong. As an assistant at a power conference program, Ronnie was about as in-the-box sort of candidate as can be for a MAC school.....as was Whitford. Taylor was the other sort of in-the-box candidate MAC schools habitually seek. He was not a prime candidate for any school that I saw. He had little experience, or much record of accomplishment. I think the big factor was his East coast background and high profile as JT's son. The one thing he was really good at was gracing the cover of the press guide that year and his name. If you want a few of those press guides, I think I have about 20 copies in a box in the attic somewhere that I obtained to distribute to alums, interest in them and any "market value" decreased rather quickly..
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2021 12:36:01 GMT -6
Nothing wrong with using search firms, and actually nothing wrong with the process that brought Whitford as a finalist. He fit the constraints given the search firm, and as someone said above had a good resume.
Trying to understand how we got Ronnie makes your head hurt. For those favoring taking a chance, his hire was a "bold" "out of the box" move...
How his name got in the final mix is one question. Then, the kicker, he was not a first choice of anyone in the athletic department.
Which makes search firms and taking fewer chances when you have finalists look like a good route maybe!
There is nothing wrong with using a search firm to compile a list of interested candidates, but we flat out took their advice on who to hire. That's a major difference. Actually we have not done that in any BB coaching hire I know. They provide names, meet with a selection committee, sometimes just the AD and a few staff, sometimes with President, give profiles, answer questions. In Ronnie's case the decision was not made by AD or any broad selection committee, and nobody who knew much who weighed in ranked him at the top of the heap.
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Post by reds37 on Feb 3, 2021 12:43:41 GMT -6
What about Greg Tonagel at IWU? He has had nothing but success there in a very competitive league. Indiana guy too.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 3, 2021 13:14:24 GMT -6
Well Ronnie was an in-the-box candidate in that he had been an assistant at two different power conference schools....an extremely common background for new mid-major coaching hires. Maybe he was out-of-the-box in that he was a terrible candidate and terrible person. So, just for the record, I don't advocate pursuing candidates who are out-of-the-box due to being terrible candidates and terrible people, regardless of how much or how little they are pursued by other schools.
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2021 14:16:05 GMT -6
There is nothing wrong with using a search firm to compile a list of interested candidates, but we flat out took their advice on who to hire. That's a major difference. Actually we have not done that in any BB coaching hire I know. They provide names, meet with a selection committee, sometimes just the AD and a few staff, sometimes with President, give profiles, answer questions. In Ronnie's case the decision was not made by AD or any broad selection committee, and nobody who knew much who weighed in ranked him at the top of the heap. You think the search firms don't go through the candidates and give advice about which one to hire ? What planet do you live on ? I'll exclude Ronnie from that because we all know he was hired so Jo Ann could look like a big shot to her East Coast friends.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 3, 2021 15:29:02 GMT -6
What about Greg Tonagel at IWU? He has had nothing but success there in a very competitive league. Indiana guy too. This would definitely be an outside of the typical "assistant" realm hire, I like it. Tonagels background at IWU is far different than the typical profile of the coach BSU often has hired in the last 20 years.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 3, 2021 15:35:19 GMT -6
Sad that all this talk is meaningless and the status quo will be kept regardless of how we finish this season.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 3, 2021 15:38:46 GMT -6
Sad that all this talk is meaningless and the status quo will be kept regardless of how we finish this season. If he isnt extended and is put in a Rob Murphy or before that Steve Hawkins lame duck situation, we will have to bump thr thread back next yr barring a surprising season.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 3, 2021 15:56:34 GMT -6
Neu pulled it off so anything can happen.
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Post by rgmillikan on Feb 3, 2021 16:00:36 GMT -6
Neu pulled it off so anything can happen. That's quite true. If someone had said 3 games in the football season that BSU would win the MAC championship and finish in the top 25 of the AP I would of have thought that was preposterous. Granted I'd have a little more faith that Whitford could generate a surprise run if he was earlier in his tenure than season #8.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2021 17:12:19 GMT -6
Actually we have not done that in any BB coaching hire I know. They provide names, meet with a selection committee, sometimes just the AD and a few staff, sometimes with President, give profiles, answer questions. In Ronnie's case the decision was not made by AD or any broad selection committee, and nobody who knew much who weighed in ranked him at the top of the heap. You think the search firms don't go through the candidates and give advice about which one to hire ? What planet do you live on ? I'll exclude Ronnie from that because we all know he was hired so Jo Ann could look like a big shot to her East Coast friends. I think I know more about how BSU has used search firms in the athletic department. Yes.
A search firm is hired to offer information and opinion. Of course their information is considered in screening. But after finalists are selected from that process, the hiring is internal decision making.
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2021 17:32:22 GMT -6
You think the search firms don't go through the candidates and give advice about which one to hire ? What planet do you live on ? I'll exclude Ronnie from that because we all know he was hired so Jo Ann could look like a big shot to her East Coast friends. But after finalists are selected from that process, the hiring is internal decision making.
Well no shit, I never alluded the final decision wasn't internal. Can you read ?
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Post by northcarolina1 on Feb 3, 2021 17:51:32 GMT -6
Dane Fife
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Post by cardfan on Feb 3, 2021 18:05:01 GMT -6
He’s waiting for Izzo to retire.
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