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Post by bsutrack on May 9, 2021 10:40:52 GMT -6
The other key fact about Ohio is, as of now, both of their key players, Jason Preston and Ben Bander Plas, are coming back next season. It's possible that could still change between now and next fall, but right now Ohio has a culture established where their best players want to come back and win some more. BSU, not so much.
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Post by 00hmh on May 9, 2021 10:51:03 GMT -6
Not clear to me how anyone can argue for some marginal increase in funding, and at the same time consistently support the continued employment of coaches who clearly demonstrate an inability to create a championship level program. That's easy enough to answer. An administrator may well be satisfied when under budget constraint they have crawled out of the basement of the conference, and although not winning championships have some other accomplishments. Their tolerance for risk is different perhaps than yours. They look at the odds of getting better and are not so sure they are good, and not sure there is no downside.
If you want ability to create regular championships, there is no free lunch by just taking risks on cheap coaching changes. You spend more money, hire better coaches, and make a serious commitment. That means funding.
If you don't have funding your second best choices are to hire coaches with less horsepower. Firing a coach and hiring another coach could be a better idea if you can pay the buyout and look forward to having the budget to hire a better coach. An administrator with second rate budget has second rate choices.
The marginal difference in coaching budget we see has a pretty serious impact over time. You can go out and find low paid coaches who arrive and win, but they either quickly become high paid coaches or leave. And successful programs over time do not follow a strategy of hiring cheap. And those who succeed as happened for one year in Buffalo had damned good reason to expect that there was an exception to the rule when they did, and that the low pay gambit would likely work. On top of that they were prepared to fire and replace if it did not. A choice that underfunded programs do not have so easily.
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Post by 00hmh on May 9, 2021 10:55:16 GMT -6
The other key fact about Ohio is, as of now, both of their key players, Jason Preston and Ben Bander Plas, are coming back next season. It's possible that could still change between now and next fall, but right now Ohio has a culture established where their best players want to come back and win some more. BSU, not so much. I agree. You get to the top, you tend to stay there if you have stable high quality coaching and the budget to hire a good replacement if your coach leaves.
This idea of getting good players and building a championship team usually provides schools several years to have championship chances. This is what I said above about wanting to be regularly a top tier program and having a window of 2 or 3 years where you are favorite to have a chance.
Rebuilding is a lot easier if you have that consistent winning formula. The rich get richer.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 9, 2021 11:32:13 GMT -6
Not clear to me how anyone can argue for some marginal increase in funding, and at the same time consistently support the continued employment of coaches who clearly demonstrate an inability to create a championship level program. That's easy enough to answer. An administrator may well be satisfied when under budget constraint they have crawled out of the basement of the conference, and although not winning championships have some other accomplishments. Their tolerance for risk is different perhaps than yours. They look at the odds of getting better and are not so sure they are good, and not sure there is no downside.
If you want ability to create regular championships, there is no free lunch by just taking risks on cheap coaching changes. You spend more money, hire better coaches, and make a serious commitment. That means funding.
If you don't have funding your second best choices are to hire coaches with less horsepower. Firing a coach and hiring another coach could be a better idea if you can pay the buyout and look forward to having the budget to hire a better coach. An administrator with second rate budget has second rate choices.
The marginal difference in coaching budget we see has a pretty serious impact over time. You can go out and find low paid coaches who arrive and win, but they either quickly become high paid coaches or leave. And successful programs over time do not follow a strategy of hiring cheap. And those who succeed as happened for one year in Buffalo had damned good reason to expect that there was an exception to the rule when they did, and that the low pay gambit would likely work. On top of that they were prepared to fire and replace if it did not. A choice that underfunded programs do not have so easily.
What gets you good coaches at the mid-major level is a competent administration focused on winning...NOT outbidding everyone else. This history is very clear on this however much you might want to deny it. By the way, how has your years of excuse-making for Whitford worked out now? That's not adding much to your credibility...is it?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on May 10, 2021 5:46:52 GMT -6
The excuse maker’s conundrum: can they give the next coach a pass for his first four years because he “inherited a mess,” when they didn’t want to fire the coach who left the mess.
I’m joking of course. Nothing can stop an habitual excuse maker, especially not something as trivial as prior inconsistent statements.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 10, 2021 11:31:53 GMT -6
The excuse maker’s conundrum: can they give the next coach a pass for his first four years because he “inherited a mess,” when they didn’t want to fire the coach who left the mess. I’m joking of course. Nothing can stop an habitual excuse maker, especially not something as trivial as prior inconsistent statements.
Yes, we have already seen this play out. The excuse makers defended Taylor to the end, then went to "Whitford inherited a mess" without batting an eye.
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Post by thebsukid on May 11, 2021 7:42:19 GMT -6
Why not hire a top flight JUCO coach who is proven and making $50-60k per year! He might even bring a transfer or two that can actually play.
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Post by 00hmh on May 11, 2021 9:44:46 GMT -6
Why not hire a top flight JUCO coach who is proven and making $50-60k per year! He might even bring a transfer or two that can actually play. Good idea to go JUCO. With the portal there may now be some chance we can get better JUCO players as big schools have proven D1 transfers available more easily now.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 11, 2021 9:58:29 GMT -6
I'm still thinking of my very out-of-the-box suggestion of finding a coach from Europe. Would be fun and interesting anyway....two things BSU basketball hasn't been for many years. And we would be risking....what?
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Post by 00hmh on May 11, 2021 11:23:13 GMT -6
I'm still thinking of my very out-of-the-box suggestion of finding a coach from Europe. Would be fun and interesting anyway....two things BSU basketball hasn't been for many years. And we would be risking....what?
If he brings a big Euro with him. Probably a 3pfg threat...
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Post by sdacardinal on May 11, 2021 14:37:15 GMT -6
Talk to Brady he has some serious connections in Europe. Spain in particular.
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