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Post by bsutrack on Mar 13, 2021 20:55:39 GMT -6
So how does the extra COVID year affect us next year as far as our numbers go. We had 13 players on scholarship this year. We supposedly will lose 3 - Ish, KJ and Hazen. We have 3 already committed for next year, keeping us at 13. If nobody else leaves, are we allowed by the NCAA ruling to sign anyone else? I'm assuming we cannot. I think you still get a scholarship for the one Reggie Jones is holding even if he comes back and plays next year. He's someone like Hazen, El-Amin, and Walton who would have moved-on in a normal year. In other words, if Jones comes back next year, we should get 14 scholarship players in 2021-22.
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Post by bsutrack on Mar 13, 2021 21:04:38 GMT -6
Well we are looking at some transfers and I have names.. Josh Jefferson ftom Green Bay Cam Holden UT Martin A PG and a SF wing, doesn't Whitford even comprehend what his major problem is?. We go into next season with Huggins starting and Hendriks and/or Sparks backing up C, it's a disaster. Huggins can be a decent back-up, but counting on Sparks to be a first year starter is a long, long shot. He should be addressing this and nothing else. If he actually is wasting his time looking for PG and wings, he's f*%king clueless.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 13, 2021 21:20:08 GMT -6
Well we are looking at some transfers and I have names.. Josh Jefferson ftom Green Bay Cam Holden UT Martin A PG and a SF wing, doesn't Whitford even comprehend what his major problem is?. We go into next season with Huggins starting and Hendriks and/or Sparks backing up C, it's a disaster. Huggins can be a decent back-up, but counting on Sparks to be a first year starter is a long, long shot. He should be addressing this and nothing else. If he actually is wasting his time looking for PG and wings, he's f*%king clueless. Exactly. I’m not sure anyone should expect too much out of Sparks right away. He couldn’t even get his team past the first round of the sectional. I know it’s not all on him, but a dominant 6’9 kid ought to be able to lead a team past Wapahani. Expecting him to step right into D1 basketball and play probably will be unrealistic. But who knows, maybe he’ll be a surprise.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 13, 2021 23:11:49 GMT -6
Sparks can be good eventually but he will get crushed as a freshman.. When they played Delta Hunt held him too 4 points in the second half.
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 14, 2021 15:35:52 GMT -6
Not sure why anyone would expect Whitford to go after a capable center. He hasn't done that in 8 years.
To me this is Whitford's main fault. Not his lack of recruiting a capable center but his inability to recognize the shortcomings of his recruiting/his coaching/his general philosophy. He seems to think that he's on the right track with everything he's doing despite the fact that he hasn't won anything.
I'd think a coach who hadn't won anything in 8 years would be looking to change something, but he just trudges ahead with the same philosophy, same coaching thinking I guess that somehow his fairy godmother will just wave a wand some year and all will be well.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 14, 2021 16:46:34 GMT -6
James is stubborn and prideful. He doesn’t recognize needing to change some things up because his way is his way and that’s it. The analytics say so....
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Post by CallingBS on Mar 14, 2021 16:52:10 GMT -6
Not sure why anyone would expect Whitford to go after a capable center. He hasn't done that in 8 years. To me this is Whitford's main fault. Not his lack of recruiting a capable center but his inability to recognize the shortcomings of his recruiting/his coaching/his general philosophy. He seems to think that he's on the right track with everything he's doing despite the fact that he hasn't won anything. I'd think a coach who hadn't won anything in 8 years would be looking to change something, but he just trudges ahead with the same philosophy, same coaching thinking I guess that somehow his fairy godmother will just wave a wand some year and all will be well. 100% correct. He does not take feedback at all, nor does he see what happens and react accordingly. Extremely unmotivated, prideful, and dense.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 16, 2021 8:18:49 GMT -6
Not sure why anyone would expect Whitford to go after a capable center. He hasn't done that in 8 years. To me this is Whitford's main fault. Not his lack of recruiting a capable center but his inability to recognize the shortcomings of his recruiting/his coaching/his general philosophy. He seems to think that he's on the right track with everything he's doing despite the fact that he hasn't won anything. I'd think a coach who hadn't won anything in 8 years would be looking to change something, but he just trudges ahead with the same philosophy, same coaching thinking I guess that somehow his fairy godmother will just wave a wand some year and all will be well.
When Whitford recruited Moses and Teague the same year, he came the closest he will ever come to success. In fact, a better coach could have likely made them the foundation of a championship team. I have the mantra "Recruiting has Consequences" but in this case it did not have the consequences it might have.
I think the perimeter oriented offense is more or less inevitable these days unless you, though some miracle, uncover the next Moses Malone. However, the perimeter oriented offense, by its nature, spreads a soft attitude among the team. I think it takes a conscious and effective effort from the coach to counteract this and have a team that retains a balance and a championship level toughness while taking a lot of threes. This is something that was, crucially, beyond Whitford's abilities. Probably the most obvious manifestation of this was the ridiculous number of three point attempts taken by Teague. (career 55-205 26%) There is no doubt in my mind that opposing coaches were heartily in favor of Teague drifting to the perimeter and shooting as many threes as possible.
It is likely that Teague was told at some point that he would have the chance to show what a "complete player" he was, while at BSU, and Whitford never had the cajones to change Teague's script from "complete player" to "part of a championship team" and this was seriously detrimental to the team developing that hard-ass, do-whatever-it-takes attitude that is necessary to be a champion.
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 16, 2021 8:39:05 GMT -6
Teague was a talented player with little focus. Multiple coaches over his time here struggled with this. His last year might well have been a championship, we'll never know.
I agree we had 2 years with both Moses and Teague together where we had a big opportunity if we could put things in place around them. Neither player was going to be a star that carried the team those years, and I am not sure it was failure working with them that was the biggest problem both those years.
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Post by sweep on Mar 16, 2021 9:28:47 GMT -6
Teague was a talented player with little focus. Multiple coaches over his time here struggled with this. His last year might well have been a championship, we'll never know. I agree we had 2 years with both Moses and Teague together where we had a big opportunity if we could put things in place around them. Neither player was going to be a star that carried the team those years, and I am not sure it was failure working with them that was the biggest problem both those years. Would you please tell us one thing Whitford does well in comparison to other DI coaches. All you do is make excuses for this guys multiple shortcomings.
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Post by williamtsherman on Mar 16, 2021 10:23:04 GMT -6
Teague was a talented player with little focus. Multiple coaches over his time here struggled with this. His last year might well have been a championship, we'll never know.
Technically we will never know, but realistically we do know.
How likely is it that BSU would have topped an Akron team that:
1) was ranked 25 spots ahead in KenPom, 2) finished 3 games ahead of BSU in the MAC regular season despite playing a stronger schedule, and 3) who beat BSU by 15 when they actually played.
And additionally, BSU would have had to beat two other teams roughly equivalent to themselves.
And all this would be accomplished by a coach who has demonstrated a striking inability to coach his way out of a wet paper bag in seven MAC tourneys.
But since the 2020 Postseason Excuse is the high point of Whitford's BSU career, I guess you have to ride it as far as you can.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 16, 2021 16:41:47 GMT -6
This whole thing about winning the mac last year is hilarious. There is just as good of chance that we would have flamed out again.. Last year's tournament is a moot point.. Some of us and the local media would probably agree to hang a banner for last year
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Post by rmcalhoun on Mar 16, 2021 16:42:47 GMT -6
Dayton should just claim the national championship
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Post by lmills72 on Mar 16, 2021 17:20:02 GMT -6
Under Whitford on the same team for multiple years we had ...
Two players who would finish among the top 10 all-time BSU scorers (Persons and Teague) Two players who would finish among the top 10 all-time BSU rebounders (Teague and Moses) Two players who would finish among the top 10 all-time BSU shot blockers (Teague and Moses) A player would would finish among the top 5 all-time BSU assists (Persons)
And we won bupkis with them.
So either we had players who really weren't that great but compiled stats because they were mostly four-year starters ...
or we have a coach who did a decent job recruiting some talent, but just had/has no clue as to how to shape it into a championship caliber team.
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Post by CallingBS on Mar 16, 2021 17:56:22 GMT -6
This whole thing about winning the mac last year is hilarious. There is just as good of chance that we would have flamed out again.. Last year's tournament is a moot point.. Some of us and the local media would probably agree to hang a banner for last year I guarantee we would have flamed out. It's exactly what Whitford teams do.
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