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Post by villagepub on Apr 23, 2021 11:08:34 GMT -6
I'm still amazed that any ardent or even casual fan would be surprised at any of our players transferring. What is special about our program right now for players who've been here a while? I think I saw that the average number of free agents (let's call them what they are) for D1 basketball was around 3.5 per school. I'm not sure we're that unique. The NCAA has opened the flood gates. Loyalty to a school or program is gone. Unlike pro sports where you can trade resources for resources, the NCAA has allowed the players to have the last, and only word on their college career.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2021 11:25:52 GMT -6
Yes. I can't see MAC teams getting better in the process.
Long term really now hard to win recruiting. Find a gem, develop a player, you're going to lose too many of your success stories.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 23, 2021 12:27:42 GMT -6
I'm still amazed that any ardent or even casual fan would be surprised at any of our players transferring. What is special about our program right now for players who've been here a while? Ummmm, nothing?
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2021 12:46:08 GMT -6
I'm still amazed that any ardent or even casual fan would be surprised at any of our players transferring. What is special about our program right now for players who've been here a while? I think I saw that the average number of free agents (let's call them what they are) for D1 basketball was around 3.5 per school. I'm not sure we're that unique. The NCAA has opened the flood gates. Loyalty to a school or program is gone. Unlike pro sports where you can trade resources for resources, the NCAA has allowed the players to have the last, and only word on their college career. There's a big difference, though, between losing 3.5 players who seek PT after having been buried on the bench, and losing your best 3.5 players.
There's an even bigger difference when you lose your 3.5 best players who then just make a lateral transfer move (maybe even within your own conference). THAT'S when you know your program is just as moribund as it appears to be from the outside.
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Post by villagepub on Apr 23, 2021 13:14:57 GMT -6
I think I saw that the average number of free agents (let's call them what they are) for D1 basketball was around 3.5 per school. I'm not sure we're that unique. The NCAA has opened the flood gates. Loyalty to a school or program is gone. Unlike pro sports where you can trade resources for resources, the NCAA has allowed the players to have the last, and only word on their college career. There's a big difference, though, between losing 3.5 players who seek PT after having been buried on the bench, and losing your best 3.5 players.
There's an even bigger difference when you lose your 3.5 best players who then just make a lateral transfer move (maybe even within your own conference). THAT'S when you know your program is just as moribund as it appears to be from the outside.
Yeah. Some of what I was alluding towards. A school invests heavily to bring a player along, then the player can bolt to another program, with the school not getting anything in return.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 23, 2021 13:24:26 GMT -6
We xan all agree on this its game changing and sucks for tge mac
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Apr 23, 2021 14:07:26 GMT -6
Not to mention the fact that changing schools a couple times wreaks havoc on course credits. How do they expect to graduate on time?
(Really trying not to laugh as I type...)
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2021 14:08:54 GMT -6
I think I saw that the average number of free agents (let's call them what they are) for D1 basketball was around 3.5 per school. I'm not sure we're that unique. The NCAA has opened the flood gates. Loyalty to a school or program is gone. Unlike pro sports where you can trade resources for resources, the NCAA has allowed the players to have the last, and only word on their college career. There's a big difference, though, between losing 3.5 players who seek PT after having been buried on the bench, and losing your best 3.5 players. Agreed. The worry I have is that good mid majors are going to lose more of those best kids with more negative impact than high majors. MAC teams may lose a few like Zach Gunn who just want a chance to go out playing a bigger role even at a smaller school.
The question is whether we are going to see the MAC getting enough back to stay at the same overall talent level. We will suffer far more of the cost in this game of musical chairs. More roster turnover of good players who fit reasonably well for players who may or may not be as good, and need to be fit in for greater numbers of minutes.
The best schools in the MAC do not seem to be immune from losing players, but maybe their depth of talent will make transition easier.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2021 14:11:05 GMT -6
Not to mention the fact that changing schools a couple times wreaks havoc on course credits. How do they expect to graduate on time? The rule allows ONE relatively cost free transfer. Otherwise they have to sit a year.
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Post by sweep on Apr 23, 2021 15:54:55 GMT -6
Not to mention the fact that changing schools a couple times wreaks havoc on course credits. How do they expect to graduate on time? The rule allows ONE relatively cost free transfer. Otherwise they have to sit a year. Yeah and that's only for this season, next year the transfer rules will be back to normal. Everyone needs to quit freaking out.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 23, 2021 16:48:27 GMT -6
The rule allows ONE relatively cost free transfer. Otherwise they have to sit a year. Yeah and that's only for this season, next year the transfer rules will be back to normal. Everyone needs to quit freaking out. Relative to this year, yes we can chill a little. If the ncaa goes brain dead and makes it a permanent rule, well, forget about it.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 23, 2021 16:53:56 GMT -6
The rule allows ONE relatively cost free transfer. Otherwise they have to sit a year. Yeah and that's only for this season, next year the transfer rules will be back to normal. Everyone needs to quit freaking out. I'm freaking out because of the apparent agreement here between 00 and Sweep.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 23, 2021 17:04:51 GMT -6
Urging this group to not freak out is always sound.
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Post by redbirdman on Apr 23, 2021 17:27:22 GMT -6
Let's look at this again before the season was played we assumed both Elamin & Walton were gone at the end of the year. The loss of Gunn to most of us is not looked at as having much affect on next year's team. I thought Walton would probably sign to play with some overseas team & get paid. His going to Akron is bad but I am sure NIU is not happy about losing a player to us either. The real surprise is losing Coleman which I blame on the one time immediately playing in a transfer next yr. So yes next yr's team looks to be bad & Whit should definitely be gone & probably about the same number of players will leave as this year.
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 24, 2021 14:42:08 GMT -6
Fellas, the key to mid major survival in this new transfer jungle is having a dynamic inspirational leader like Porter Moser at Loyola whose players don't want to transfer. For those keeping score we don't have one of those.
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