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Post by williamtsherman on May 17, 2021 16:53:48 GMT -6
I think he's trying to say that the program was been mismanaged down to a miniscule fanbase, and that the administration is intent on whittling it down still further. I think.
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Post by cardfan on May 17, 2021 17:37:22 GMT -6
The dirty dozen have spoken you are the only group of fans obsessed with discussing this issue. whatever you think will not matter if Whitford stays or is fired. what does this even mean Does it mean very few of us are left and we’re not allowed to discuss sports on here? I think we kinda know our message board opinions don’t matter. It’s a….. forum. To talk sports.
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Post by 00hmh on May 17, 2021 19:06:13 GMT -6
Hear, hear. You are of course right that we all know opinions are cheap and facts on extensions are beyond being sketchy. And indeed there are few fans here, and our opinions have little weight. Some few here would love to have some sports action to talk about, but there isn't much.
Perhaps Rusty says talk about the extension has been beaten to death in light of all that?
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Post by realitycheck on May 17, 2021 19:37:12 GMT -6
Perhaps we don’t give a shit what Rusty thinks. Wait let me clarify that, we definitely don’t.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 17, 2021 21:18:10 GMT -6
We have all been at this for awhile now some of us for years. We all have a different opinions and at some point we have all disagreed with each other. Occasionally it gets heated but after a couple days things go back to normal sometimes someone even apologizes. Differing opinions are good they make for discussion which is why I think we all come back here everyday. Then we have Rusty the guy who has no opinion on anything and has offered nothing to this board. He comes along once every couple months says something dumb and goes back to lurking under a rock. Rusty come on man grow a sack offer an opinion an argument anything. Back up what you say for God's sake right or wrong it does not matter stop being a pussy.
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Post by david75bsu on May 18, 2021 3:35:44 GMT -6
Whit notes in latest article that while pressure is increasing he won’t change his approach! He feels we are heading in the right direction. Really? Can the administration read this and feel we are heading in the right direction? Really? This should cause any intelligent person concern about the leadership of the University’s basketball program, if not than they care little about the direction it is heading. I think we all wanted him to succeed, but the record is far from stealer.
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Post by 00hmh on May 18, 2021 8:01:21 GMT -6
Rusty....Back up what you say for God's sake right or wrong it does not matter That's a good general rule, to be applied to everyone.
To be fair, there are a number of posts in this thread by a number of posters which aren't exactly detailed in supporting an opinion. And I vaguely recall some urging brevity and criticizing a lot of reasons for opinion in supporting their case. Even saying any reason are "excuses."
One serious issue with short posts is that a forum has a tough job separating out posts which are just insulting attempts at trolling from those that are inarticulate venting. We have a good share of both, but I don't think Rusty falls into either category that I have noticed.
You do make a good point that many of us here have often stated their reasons for an opinion and regulars may not need to repeat it every post, but you are right that Rusty isn't a regular participant in the discussions.
OTOH, if we want to expand readership and have more people involved there is a case we encourage posters to post even if not quite up to the high standards we regulars hold.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 18, 2021 8:21:03 GMT -6
That's the point of my post. I would love to hear what Rusty has to say and why he thinks that way but we never get that. Rusty can come on here and say they grays have risen from the ocean and they will save Ball State Basketball. He could also say Calhoun your an asshole and as long as he tells me why that's cool. His act of coming on here and taking a monthly pot shot at the people who are here everyday is just juvenile
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 18, 2021 8:29:21 GMT -6
The other thing is no one has to post everyday like us weirdos do. YES our core group are obsessed and weird. When you do post though make it relevant. There are a lot of people who don't post often but when they do it adds something. People like Burton and even Sag when they post its meaningful. I think Sag had been a Whitford guy forever and I'd love to hear his/her opinion on this so Sag if your reading fire away
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Post by 00hmh on May 18, 2021 8:30:15 GMT -6
Whit notes in latest article that while pressure is increasing he won’t change his approach! He feels we are heading in the right direction. Really? I was glad to see him say a lot of the things said in the article. It seems clear he wants results last season to change, and was clearly not happy with results. When he says he's not changing approach, I am sure that means he is not endorsing results but indicating he wants to return to the place he thought we were the year before.
The most important comment to me was saying he had to do something about turnovers. To me faster pace might lead to more TO, but we didn't play fast enough to gain what we lost, and our turnovers were way too often in half court offense.
There were also a number of comments about inside players I was glad to see. One was that we have another scholarship, and the context would indicate to me we are looking for a big guy in the transfer portal. He clearly said cause for poor results was related to failure of front line players to add bulk. Had to be reference to Hendricks who better change direction, he disappointed everyone when he came back to campus without adding strength and gaining weight, apparently not working.
Whitford also did mention that Thomas was going the right direction, not that I really expect him to be a bruiser. ( I never really expected Teague to become as strong as he did, so maybe a stronger Thomas can be more effective when he has to play inside.)
Good news that Thomas is going to be better, and that Jones is expected to play. Last year I thought his return was going to be required to have a good season, and he never was able to play. (call it excuses if you want, but if we had been able to avoid injuries, we would have been a pretty good team last year. Coleman, Thomas and Jones, injured, and numerous cases of Covid quarantine hit us hard)
I was not greatly encouraged by his endorsing the number of back court players we have, but I guess I agree Cochran(especially) and Jacobs are good additions. Other returning players who are wings or guards have to step up. We are pretty likely to need perimeter depth and much better outside shooting to make Whitfords approach work. THAT lack this year is my biggest concern. It tanked our efforts last year.
We either have to be very athletic and play fast, or shoot much better. Both are in the hands of players like Acree, Jones, Windham and Bumb, along with Thomas. Cochran and Jacobs are not big guys so we are playing small ball. Good to see him puzzled about KJ, and apparently frustrated. Losing KJ means less athleticism, but at least we won't miss his outside shooting.
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Post by 00hmh on May 18, 2021 8:44:03 GMT -6
That's the point of my post. I would love to hear what Rusty has to say and why he thinks that way but we never get that. He is in the gray area of being a regular and not being a regular. Maybe a regular lurker.
I don't feel as strongly people need to post longer posts, but I certainly don't think anybody should be negative all the time. But then that's not all that unusual. I'd love to see more people acknowledge good points made even where they don't agree completely. That's pretty rare here.
There may be some history here I don't know that makes it personal. I don't know that but I do see Rusty is negative about a lot of posters. I could be wrong about this, but I have seen Rusty as mostly that he hates the negativity about BSU, and you have to admit the bulk of regulars are pretty often negative, that may explain some of his reaction.
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Post by realitycheck on May 18, 2021 8:53:12 GMT -6
Whit notes in latest article that while pressure is increasing he won’t change his approach! He feels we are heading in the right direction. Really? I was glad to see him say a lot of the things said in the article. It seems clear he wants results last season to change, and was clearly not happy with results. When he says he's not changing approach, I am sure that means he is not endorsing results but indicating he wants to return to the place he thought we were the year before.
The most important comment to me was saying he had to do something about turnovers. To me faster pace might lead to more TO, but we didn't play fast enough to gain what we lost, and our turnovers were way too often in half court offense.
There were also a number of comments about inside players I was glad to see. One was that we have another scholarship, and the context would indicate to me we are looking for a big guy in the transfer portal. He clearly said cause for poor results was related to failure of front line players to add bulk. Had to be reference to Hendricks who better change direction, he disappointed everyone when he came back to campus without adding strength and gaining weight, apparently not working.
Whitford also did mention that Thomas was going the right direction, not that I really expect him to be a bruiser. ( I never really expected Teague to become as strong as he did, so maybe a stronger Thomas can be more effective when he has to play inside.)
Good news that Thomas is going to be better, and that Jones is expected to play. Last year I thought his return was going to be required to have a good season, and he never was able to play. (call it excuses if you want, but if we had been able to avoid injuries, we would have been a pretty good team last year. Coleman, Thomas and Jones, injured, and numerous cases of Covid quarantine hit us hard)
I was not greatly encouraged by his endorsing the number of back court players we have, but I guess I agree Cochran(especially) and Jacobs are good additions. Other returning players who are wings or guards have to step up. We are pretty likely to need perimeter depth and much better outside shooting to make Whitfords approach work. THAT lack this year is my biggest concern. It tanked our efforts last year.
We either have to be very athletic and play fast, or shoot much better. Both are in the hands of players like Acree, Jones, Windham and Bumb, along with Thomas. Cochran and Jacobs are not big guys so we are playing small ball. Good to see him puzzled about KJ, and apparently frustrated. Losing KJ means less athleticism, but at least we won't miss his outside shooting.
You obviously enjoy the taste of a bullshit sandwich.
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Post by 00hmh on May 18, 2021 9:03:42 GMT -6
Does it mean very few of us are left and we’re not allowed to discuss sports on here? I think we kinda know our message board opinions don’t matter. It’s a….. forum. To talk sports. You need to take this up with RC.
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Post by williamtsherman on May 18, 2021 9:05:41 GMT -6
Like Billy Taylor before him, all Whitford has to offer is the MAC west record, so he brings is up constantly as "evidence" his 8 years have been something other than a dull, dismal failure. Guskey deserves a favorable mention for working in some facts demonstrate what a farce the MAC west has been.
Whitford is looking to guide BSU to its first NCAA tournament since 2000. Maybe that journey will happen if the Cardinals can figure out what’s been keeping them from having much success against teams that have been in the MAC’s East Division, which has had a team knock Whitford’s out of the conference tournament six times in the past seven tournaments, although Whitford said “I don’t have my finger put on” why the general issue has persisted. Whitford said it is something they’re looking at significantly.
Allow me to assist Jimmy Two wins in this significant looking at, because I CAN put my finger on it: Your program sucks, and when you come up against the decent MAC East programs you get your ass handed to you because they do not suck like your program does. In one of your "up" years you can rack up some wins against the consistently terrible MAC east programs and have relative success because they also suck. In your down years you can't even do that. IN 8 seasons, your ceiling and floor have both been pretty clearly defined. You are what your record says you are.
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Post by rmcalhoun on May 18, 2021 9:09:10 GMT -6
The other thing is no one has to post everyday like us weirdos do. YES our core group are obsessed and weird. When you do post though make it relevant. There are a lot of people who don't post often but when they do it adds something. People like Burton and even Sag when they post its meaningful. I think Sag had been a Whitford guy forever and I'd love to hear his/her opinion on this so Sag if your reading fire away
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