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Post by reevo on Jun 21, 2021 13:08:38 GMT -6
I would say that our current head coach has a history of recruiting mediocre MAC talent and what makes us believe this kid will be any different? Whitford’s body of work does not scream good talent evaluator. Just sayin! Do you actually agree we should not sign him? That he was not a good recruit out of HS and Prep school? Other than doubting Whitford, do you have a reason? You have a trained eye and good judgment. But, I certainly hope you'd not make the mistake of trusting halftimes talent evaluation without independent reason. He has regularly classified players as failures with no way to contribute who proved themselves as MAC talent. I am not saying not sign him. I am saying that we have been down this road before. I do not have any confidence that this kid will be any different from the other transfers, recruits that have had high expectations and have not panned out. He was considered a pretty good player coming out of high school but other than that, there is little to go by. I do not know much about him so I cannot give you an honest assessment. I am speculating that our current head coach will get it wrong once again. I have a hard time giving our staff the benefit of the doubt with their history at BSU!
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Post by realitycheck on Jun 21, 2021 13:51:56 GMT -6
I personally hope all of our recruits are fantastic and have spectacular careers...but...Whitford's recruiting ceiling and player development track record are not cause for optimism unless you're either blind or a jock-sniffer.
Teague, Persons, Coleman, Moses, Sellers, House & El Amin are probably his best recruits in the nine years he has been here. Teague the lone first-team all MAC, and Persons was pretty damn good too. After the above list, it's a bunch of dudes in 9 years. The biggest issue beyond the fact we haven't been able to attract many if any truly special players, is lack of development once they arrive. Physical development is almost non-existent and with the exception of the guys mentioned above, we have a host of other guys who just never get or got better. Combined with a coaching style that is not inspirational, emotional or gritty and it is a recipe for what we've seen. Mediocrity.
So, I pray that somehow, some way, Pearson and the other new players make that "leap" under this HC but history says otherwise. What am I missing?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 21, 2021 14:06:22 GMT -6
I can agree with not having sky high expectations for Pearson, rare you see that success in any transfer.
Persons was the guy who made most difference, others have been starter quality, solid, among our leading scorers, if not dominant.
KJ,Thomas, and Hazen all started just last year. Our transfers have not been any particular disappointment. Just no breakout star.
I don't see Whit proclaiming this guy a savior. I'm not seeing this guy that way, but won't proclaim him mediocre either, he has potential.
The newcomers this year as a group look pretty good. His physical maturity, experience should be a plus.
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Post by sweep on Jun 21, 2021 15:26:29 GMT -6
I would say that our current head coach has a history of recruiting mediocre MAC talent and what makes us believe this kid will be any different? Whitford’s body of work does not scream good talent evaluator. Just sayin! But, I certainly hope you'd not make the mistake of trusting halftimes talent evaluation without independent reason. He has regularly classified players as failures with no way to contribute who proved themselves as MAC talent. Other than I suppose Coleman's offensive skills I have been pretty damn accurate. So give me other examples where I have been way off base.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 22, 2021 10:04:12 GMT -6
But, I certainly hope you'd not make the mistake of trusting halftimes talent evaluation without independent reason. He has regularly classified players as failures with no way to contribute who proved themselves as MAC talent. Other than I suppose Coleman's offensive skills I have been pretty damn accurate. So give me other examples where I have been way off base. Coleman was a pretty big miss. The most recent I suppose. I never understood your vitriol there.
Probably a bigger miss when you predicted Mallers would never be a starter.
But, rather than big misses, who do you remember giving a positive evaluation? What I am talking about is not just that you are reluctant to endorse a recruit, that is understandable, and not just being a glass half empty guy, but to overstate the case, discount that potential, disrespect and pan the player. Almost every signing.
It's always easy to predict a recruit fails, very good recruits all too often don't develop or ever meet their potential at D1.
Maybe I am wrong but I am remembering criticism of Indiana All Stars and transfers back at least to the time we signed Weber. Kids who ended up starting and competing effectively. KJ, Ish, Bumbalough, Hazen, others in the last few years. Hard to find see comments before 2018 as you deleted your account at some point and were reincarnated as '"sweep" and then a second account as halftime revived more recently.
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Post by sweep on Jun 22, 2021 11:21:01 GMT -6
Other than I suppose Coleman's offensive skills I have been pretty damn accurate. So give me other examples where I have been way off base. , very good recruits all too often don't develop or ever meet their potential at D1.
. Kids who ended up starting and competing effectively. KJ, Ish, Bumbalough, Hazen, others in the last few years.
Really "very good " recruits don't pan out. That's an odd statement. KJ didn't do crap until his sixth season and in fact he was a far worse point guard than I thought he would be , Ish I liked and said "this is the kind of recruit we should be targeting", Bumbalough I said " I don't have a problem taking him, but he shouldn't be the priority recruit in his class", Hazen I wasn't excited about and he never really contributed much. Oh and as-far a Whitford goes, my original assessment was " This is a guy who can get to twenty wins under ideal circumstances, but that's it." Maybe I should go back and look at your "hot takes" and we can compare the two.
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