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Post by sweep on Jun 15, 2021 6:48:08 GMT -6
It's always about the money.. How this money is divided out is the only question. Is it fair no not really but it's fairer than it was. Most if not all years your going to get a g5 school in. There will be minor bowl casualties so some opps will be taking away. The fairest way would be to include all conference championship but that's not going to happen. Some years you might get three g5 schools in. Most years it will be one. Mark my words the voters will keep g5 teams out of the top 12 if they can There is always going to be a g5 school in the playoffs, the top 6 rated conference winners get an automatic bid. The thing that could happen is one of the present g5's steps up their game over a number of years and basically makes it a p6 and a g4. As-an-aside I am all for making the Rose Bowl the permanent site of the Championship game.
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Post by villagepub on Jun 15, 2021 7:37:28 GMT -6
It's always about the money.. How this money is divided out is the only question. Is it fair no not really but it's fairer than it was. Most if not all years your going to get a g5 school in. There will be minor bowl casualties so some opps will be taking away. The fairest way would be to include all conference championship but that's not going to happen. Some years you might get three g5 schools in. Most years it will be one. Mark my words the voters will keep g5 teams out of the top 12 if they can There is always going to be a g5 school in the playoffs, the top 6 rated conference winners get an automatic bid. The thing that could happen is one of the present g5's steps up their game over a number of years and basically makes it a p6 and a g4. As-an-aside I am all for making the Rose Bowl the permanent site of the Championship game. The AAC is trying to become the P6 via self proclamation (their ads). They usually have two good teams, then a bunch of CUSA or MWC level teams, and those two good teams do not necessarily remain the same two teams each year. They are inconsistent and bank on either UCF, Cincinnati or Houston to provide them with self importance.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2021 8:37:42 GMT -6
It's always about the money.. How this money is divided out is the only question. Is it fair no not really but it's fairer than it was. Most if not all years your going to get a g5 school in. There will be minor bowl casualties so some opps will be taking away. The fairest way would be to include all conference championship but that's not going to happen. Some years you might get three g5 schools in. Most years it will be one. Mark my words the voters will keep g5 teams out of the top 12 if they can The thing that could happen is one of the present g5's steps up their game over a number of years and basically makes it a p6 and a g4. I doubt any existing G5 conference is a candidate to do that. It would at best be sort of a junior member of the club of high revenue Power conferences.
A realignment in CFB where a relatively small number of G5 schools realign into a 6th conference including the biggest schools, with perhaps a few schools absorbed into existing P5 conferences is more likely.
P5 conferences have admitted new members, but it's always a question of the existing schools having to share the lucrative regular season TV contracts. Taking all the G5 schools who are possible candidates, they usually are where they are because they would not add enough revenue and would dilute the conference revenues.
The American Conference is a possible candidate, it has probably the most schools with some chance of producing revenues at P5 level, but not all the schools in that conference.
Looking at all the G5 conferences, that conference has most regularly produced the single G5 school annually participating in a big bowl game, and perhaps has the most schools funded at a higher level. Conceivably those best funded could make a further institutional commitment to move up. (unlikely for example that a service academy would.)
The issue is not just competition level, it's not just the school coming up with the money to be competitive as a business partner to a P5 conference, the reality is that it is unlikely most G5 schools would offer TV market or gate to be attractive to a P5 conference.
That would mean for example that the American would have to ditch the less well funded institutions from the conference who could not compete and lack revenue potential to make any such move.
Apart from the AAC, the rest of the G5 conferences have even fewer schools with potential to compete or produce revenue. Realignment would leave the rest of G5 a collection of clearly lower tier schools on both counts, and most of them (like the MAC) very likely to significantly downsize FB and give up the pretense of being FBS schools.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2021 8:51:12 GMT -6
There is always going to be a g5 school in the playoffs, the top 6 rated conference winners get an automatic bid. The thing that could happen is one of the present g5's steps up their game over a number of years and basically makes it a p6 and a g4. As-an-aside I am all for making the Rose Bowl the permanent site of the Championship game. The AAC is trying to become the P6 via self proclamation (their ads). They usually have two good teams, then a bunch of CUSA or MWC level teams, and those two good teams do not necessarily remain the same two teams each year. They are inconsistent and bank on either UCF, Cincinnati or Houston to provide them with self importance. Exactly right. Plus as RMC implied above, that money part of the equation is where sweep/halftime's idea that a G5 conference can "step up" is pretty unlikely. It's not just competition level.
An AAC TV package just isn't ever going to be very lucrative, and even with decent gate, the economics don't really work all that well. More likely those few schools try to move on the P5 conferences. But even then they don't bring in the bucks in and the existing P5 schools don't want to share the wealth.
Not just TV. Excepting the schools you name, NONE of the AAC schools would be a great upgrade to P5 schools schedule.
Geography also limits the options. The P5 are originally all regional, less so now, but adding far flung schools requires greater expense in travel for all the conference sports.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 15, 2021 9:53:21 GMT -6
Why not just combine all of the G5 conferences, divide them into regions, and have them play for a championship and a spot in the playoffs?
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Post by halftime on Jun 15, 2021 10:08:35 GMT -6
The AAC is trying to become the P6 via self proclamation (their ads). They usually have two good teams, then a bunch of CUSA or MWC level teams, and those two good teams do not necessarily remain the same two teams each year. They are inconsistent and bank on either UCF, Cincinnati or Houston to provide them with self importance. Exactly right. Plus as RMC implied above, that money part of the equation is where sweep/halftime's idea that a G5 conference can "step up" is pretty unlikely. It's not just competition level.
No as far as the playoffs are concerned it's entirely about competition. As you have proven, even an idiot knows the P5 have a money advantage and always will, so why is that something that needs a hundred rehashes from you in every post ? You could break down the same thing on a program by program basis and find people at IU complaining their football budget is dwarfed by the top Big 10 programs. Sheesh.....
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Post by halftime on Jun 15, 2021 10:11:30 GMT -6
Why not just combine all of the G5 conferences, divide them into regions, and have them play for a championship and a spot in the playoffs? That's essentially what will happen when all the G5 schools are competing for the 6th conference automatic bid. The new structure is pretty well thought out.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 15, 2021 10:35:17 GMT -6
Why not just combine all of the G5 conferences, divide them into regions, and have them play for a championship and a spot in the playoffs? Not all G5 conferences are equal now, you are effectively calling for the G5 conferences to realign. Some actually have gate and a little greater TV money than the others. So they won't want to give that up.
Anyway you cut it hard to do, if adding games. Adding games to the season depends on whether there are enough weekends to have the additional playoff games and whether all the conference teams want to give up several games on their schedule for a few of them to have the added playoff games.
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