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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 21, 2021 19:43:01 GMT -6
For those of you who missed the Supreme Court ruled today 9-0 against the Ncaa in an anti trust lawsuit. This ruling is lays the road to paying players. This ruling allows schools to offer unlimited resources for anything education related. Could be laptops,Books,paid internships what ever as long as it can be deemed education related. Look up judge Cavanaughs comments on the ruling the Ncaa is screwed on this. Now the interesting part let's watch how schools manipulate this. Big schools are going to be giving out laptops/headphones and paid summer internships like candy
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Post by lmills72 on Jun 21, 2021 20:45:21 GMT -6
You know it's important to be able to dress appropriately for that internship. And you need to be able to get to work. Not sure you can rely on public transportation. Also you better have more than a laptop. Better have the latest cell phone.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 21, 2021 20:46:05 GMT -6
You know it's important to be able to dress appropriately for that internship. And you need to be able to get to work. Not sure you can rely on public transportation. Also you better have more than a laptop. Better have the latest cell phone. it's going to happen you can count on it
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 22, 2021 10:04:20 GMT -6
Because big-time players for big-time sports and big-time programs are the ones who get all the media and fan attention, the "pay the players" issue tends to get viewed from that perspective.
But (roughly figuring) maybe 25 of 350-some athletic departments across the country actually make money. And even at those schools, probably only around 1/4 of the athletes are associated with the programs that make the money (football and men's basketball). So the math would then suggest that only somewhere around 2 or 3% of D1 athletes are associated with making money for the schools and thus 97% to 98% of athletes are actually a financial drain on their schools and fellow students.
Going even further, how much revenue for Alabama can you attribute to the average Alabama football player, or the 3rd string long snapper? People tend to think of this issue in terms of a Devonte Smith, but he is part of the exceptional tiny fraction of money-making players.
How does the NCAA deal with this? The whole discussion would be much more useful and intelligent if this situation was addressed. Another problem for the NCAA is that basically 100% of female athletes are in the money-draining group, but they are both politically well-served and extremely whiney. If the ncaa pays ANY male, these women are going to throw a huge fit if they don't get money too....even though they are already sponging off their fellow students. Maybe you recollect how some women's basketball players cried bitter tears over the amenities available to them at their low-interest tourney compared the amenities available at the huge cash cow men's tourney this year.
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Post by bsu0 on Jun 22, 2021 10:51:14 GMT -6
This the beginning of the end of a system that has served the many quite well(not perfectly), but quite well. This will lead to more of everything...more lawsuits, more whining, more money where the rich get richer, more demands by athletes, more greed, you get the picture. It is just a matter of time. Many will be left in the dust and I am afraid Ball State and the like will all left behind seeing nothing but assholes and smoke.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 22, 2021 12:59:45 GMT -6
But (roughly figuring) maybe 25 of 350-some athletic departments across the country actually make money.
That's not really the case anymore. TV money has made almost all of the P5 profitable. Look at the Big Ten. BTN pays each school somewhere around $54 million a year. SEC about $45 mil. Big 12, $38 mil. PAC12, $36 mil. ACC, $32 mil. That doesn't even account for tickets, bowl games, and fundraising.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 22, 2021 13:32:50 GMT -6
But (roughly figuring) maybe 25 of 350-some athletic departments across the country actually make money.
That's not really the case anymore. TV money has made almost all of the P5 profitable.... The relative difference between P5 and G5 now much different. The P5 always had significantly greater gate and bowl opportunities.
Sherman has a point, that none of these schools use athletics as a profit center to subsidize other parts of the university. In that sense at least almost none of them are profitable. And most get support from their university since they are so visible and important to the university for attracting alumni support. We get multi million dollar administrators, coaches and luxury care athletic programs which spend all the money poured into them and become more powerful within the university because they are autonomous.
Not like the big school program really end up to need budget support or student fees and can be easily held accountable if they please alumni and the sports entertainment audience they reach. That's who they answer to.
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Post by CallingBS on Jun 22, 2021 17:03:17 GMT -6
But (roughly figuring) maybe 25 of 350-some athletic departments across the country actually make money.
That's not really the case anymore. TV money has made almost all of the P5 profitable. Look at the Big Ten. BTN pays each school somewhere around $54 million a year. SEC about $45 mil. Big 12, $38 mil. PAC12, $36 mil. ACC, $32 mil. That doesn't even account for tickets, bowl games, and fundraising. You are correct except that they STILL aren't profitable, because they just keep spending more and more. In the middle of Covid I started looking up revenue (donors, TV, tickets, and yes, allocated university funds, etc.) compared to expenses. It is unreal how much P5 schools spend on sports, and it's no wonder they were whining so much and some even cut sports. It's actually less than 25 schools whose revenues actually exceed expenses. Iowa spends like $154mm on athletics per year...unreal. I'll try to find a link to the database. The egregious use of funds is eye popping, and it's no wonder they were in an immediate tailspin when covid and the NCAA's stance on covid halted all revenues. They all got exposed.
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Post by CallingBS on Jun 22, 2021 17:05:35 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 22, 2021 17:12:09 GMT -6
Exactly, no BS!
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jun 23, 2021 6:23:24 GMT -6
I'd like to see the books at some of these schools.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jun 23, 2021 7:54:56 GMT -6
I'd like to see the books at some of these schools. I like libraries too.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 23, 2021 8:36:37 GMT -6
I'd like to see the books at some of these schools. I like libraries too. Libraries don't even have many books now, it is shocking. I share his nostalgia, but fear we missed his chance to use that old technology when in days of old we had to go there and learn the mysterious working of the card catalogue.
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Post by bsu0 on Jun 28, 2021 9:17:50 GMT -6
Ah the days of the Dewey Decimal System
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Post by williamtsherman on Jun 28, 2021 17:58:36 GMT -6
BSU Athletics announces ‘Ball YOU’ program as its strategy for name, image and likenessThis is one of those strange articles that regurgitates a lot of press release speak and marketing speak, and after you read it, you ask yourself "Wait...what? What do I know now that I didn't know before I read this?" I think it basically says that BSU will provide some help and advice to student athletes for dealing with endorsements. What isn't said is that there probably isn't a whole lot of money actually available here given the interest level in BSU athletics. By the way, have you noticed that anytime someone uses the word "leverage" in place of the simpler word "use", it's usually a sure tip off that they are trying to make their text sound more important and impactful than it really is.
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