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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 8, 2021 20:41:53 GMT -6
I'm too lazy and disinterested to research all the details of this NIL thing. But things I have seen have convinced me that it's eventually going to have a huge impact on the competitive balance of college sports. But like a lot of transformative things, it's going to take a while for people to figure it out and arrive at some sort of equilibrium.
So it strikes me that there is currently a big opportunity to make a potentially large short term impact, at least, before things get completely settled. If you are a donor, and you have been contributing money to the various BSU drives and campaigns in hopes of raising the competitive level of BSU sports indirectly....hoping to attract better athletes through better facilities and such....here is a moment where you can very directly attract better athletes by the most effective, proven possible means....giving them money.
Specifically, identify some of Whitford's most wishful-thinking type current recruiting targets. You may have to set it up in the right way to comply with NIL rules, but it seems like you can pretty much effectively hand them money. Maybe you've heard - money talks. I think this would be about...oh I don't know... one hundred time more effective on a per dollar basis as compared to contributing toward a fancy practice facility or whatever. Do this now before everyone catches on. It could lead to a good season or two.
Just a thought.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 9, 2021 7:05:14 GMT -6
So it strikes me that there is currently a big opportunity to make a potentially large short term impact, at least, before things get completely settled. If you are a donor, and you have been contributing money to the various BSU drives and campaigns in hopes of raising the competitive level of BSU sports indirectly....hoping to attract better athletes through better facilities and such....here is a moment where you can very directly attract better athletes by the most effective, proven possible means....giving them money. Just a thought. You mean like this guy? All about the Benjamins |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 9, 2021 7:54:03 GMT -6
I'm too lazy and disinterested to research all the details of this NIL thing...here is a moment where you can very directly attract better athletes by the most effective, proven possible means....giving them money. Specifically, identify some of Whitford's most wishful-thinking type current recruiting targets. You may have to set it up in the right way to comply with NIL rules, but it seems like you can pretty much effectively hand them money. Boosters around the country are no doubt exploring this.
The athletic department will have obligation to review these contracts. The policy states athletes must report NIL contracts and are “strongly” encouraged to have that approved in advance. So to transfer money you need to have a contract that is recorded.
The biggest hang up is a requirement " commensurate work is performed,” but that is going to be impossible to measure for value of NIL. There is a time limit during which the contract is linked to the time where the athlete is “in their sport at BSU.” Money in advance or payments extending into the future are violations perhaps.
I am sure any money changing hands under contract could mask payouts in violation. This whole deal looks like a compliance nightmare. See the example below which is little more than a $500 handshake.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 9, 2021 7:55:46 GMT -6
So it strikes me that there is currently a big opportunity to make a potentially large short term impact, at least, before things get completely settled. If you are a donor, and you have been contributing money to the various BSU drives and campaigns in hopes of raising the competitive level of BSU sports indirectly....hoping to attract better athletes through better facilities and such....here is a moment where you can very directly attract better athletes by the most effective, proven possible means....giving them money. Just a thought. You mean like this guy? All about the BenjaminsI wonder how you measure "commensurate" value in a case like this? How could a red shirt nobody be worth as much as an All American in terms of social media impact? |
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 9, 2021 8:24:58 GMT -6
What is sad is that they use to penalize coaches, universities, and players for these types of deals! Was coach Hunsuker (sp), Ball State's best basketball coach a victim of this type of an issue? I feel that this will cause a lot more problems than solutions. Again, these kids get tens of thousands of dollars worth of educational dollars/scholarships, room and board, meals, personal trainers, etc. from the universities for the privilege of playing a game in some costly and nice facilities. In the end, you get a degree or exposure to possibly have a professional career. Not a bad deal, especially when you see the debt racked up by graduates. Once again, the courts get themselves involved in areas where they just need to stay the hell out of the peoples business!
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 9, 2021 8:48:03 GMT -6
I'm too lazy and disinterested to research all the details of this NIL thing...here is a moment where you can very directly attract better athletes by the most effective, proven possible means....giving them money. Specifically, identify some of Whitford's most wishful-thinking type current recruiting targets. You may have to set it up in the right way to comply with NIL rules, but it seems like you can pretty much effectively hand them money. Boosters around the country are no doubt exploring this.
It's cute that you think limitations may realistically be in place. That'll be out the window the first time they try to enforce it and the kid takes it to court. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 9, 2021 10:47:38 GMT -6
Boosters around the country are no doubt exploring this.
It's cute that you think limitations may realistically be in place. That'll be out the window the first time they try to enforce it and the kid takes it to court. No I don't think so. State or federal statute seem likely to solve any problem that does exist. But private businesses are allowed to make reasonable agreements (or conspiracies) in the course of business.
The idea is that the NCAA schools by making ANY rules are engaging in a "conspiracy to restrain trade" which they surely in a literal sense are. BUT. The law early on when challenged on that grounds in commercial settings recognized that reasonable restraints and agreements are fine. Even necessary to make the law make sense.
So the antitrust violation that the Alston case is based on still recognizes the NCAA has an interest in "preserving amateurism and thus improving consumer choice by maintaining a distinction between college and professional sports", but it is all about making that a "reasonable" restriction.
Every rule the NCAA makes "restrains" colleges from doing things. A school wanting to play 12 men or have a different size field finds the rules restrain them from "innovation" that they might want to try.
There is non binding language in the decision that suggests the idea amateurism is essential to the sport as a reasonable restraint can be litigated in the future, but likely that it is a matter of refining the idea of what restraints are reasonable.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jul 9, 2021 15:01:45 GMT -6
It's true that it's a new and unsettled environment. But I think that with some effort and some intelligent attention to the new rules, violations can fairly certainly be avoided.
The point is that vigorous, intelligent donors with their heads out of their asses have an opportunity here to make their money contributions more effective than they have previously been by an order of magnitude.
Of course, BSU basketball being what it is, and has been for 20 years, maybe there are no vigorous, intelligent donors with their heads out of their asses who have wished to remain associated with such a dismal, excuse-laden, failed program. In fact, that's probably the most likely thing, and everyone here will take a slow wait-and-see approach with NIL, and more with-it programs will get the advantage. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Jul 10, 2021 5:22:51 GMT -6
Once again, the courts get themselves involved in areas where they just need to stay the hell out of the peoples business! How do you think courts work? |
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Post by universityjim on Jul 12, 2021 12:41:08 GMT -6
What is sad is that they use to penalize coaches, universities, and players for these types of deals! Was coach Hunsuker (sp), Ball State's best basketball coach a victim of this type of an issue? I feel that this will cause a lot more problems than solutions. Again, these kids get tens of thousands of dollars worth of educational dollars/scholarships, room and board, meals, personal trainers, etc. from the universities for the privilege of playing a game in some costly and nice facilities. In the end, you get a degree or exposure to possibly have a professional career. Not a bad deal, especially when you see the debt racked up by graduates. Once again, the courts get themselves involved in areas where they just need to stay the hell out of the peoples business! You used to be able to view the transcript of the NCAA investigation on Husaker on their online database. Not sure if it is still there. There were several things that got Ball State in trouble but the one that got Dick himself in trouble was personally paying the tuition of a Prop 48 player. Prop 48 players could not be on scholarship. If my failing memory serves me correctly. At least that was what was in the transcript. I know some here think Dick was a scapegoat. I have no idea about that. I personally just want to remember the good things about that time. Now is depressing enough that we need somthing wonderful to look back on about BSU Basketball. |
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 12, 2021 13:17:30 GMT -6
My recollection is Hunsaker was found to have helped with finding employment for a player who was not allowed to be on scholarship. Unclear and disputed to what degree he and a booster were involved.
It was considered lack of institutional control when reported by AD to NCAA.
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 12, 2021 13:22:17 GMT -6
My recollection is Hunsaker was found to have helped with finding employment for a player who was not allowed to be on scholarship. Unclear and disputed to what degree he and a booster were involved. It was considered lack of institutional control when reported by AD to NCAA. That’s the way I remember it as well! |
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Post by reevo on Jul 12, 2021 13:41:01 GMT -6
This whole thing still burns my ass. You have Dickitch on his show talking about how Knight would find jobs for recruits parents and that was alright? Neil Reeds father was hired with the help from Knight and that is not skirting the rules? Bottom line the NCAA made us one of their victims because they had to look like they were doing their job. The big schools with all the cash have always gotten away with murder.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 12, 2021 18:28:29 GMT -6
This whole thing still burns my ass. You have Dickitch on his show talking about how Knight would find jobs for recruits parents and that was alright? Neil Reeds father was hired with the help from Knight and that is not skirting the rules? Bottom line the NCAA made us one of their victims because they had to look like they were doing their job. The big schools with all the cash have always gotten away with murder. This would not have happened with another AD. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 12, 2021 18:58:17 GMT -6
I know the booster personally and his son is one of my best friends. The players would go out to his and pick up sticks and do other simple yard work type activities. I once asked if they really worked and was told they did. This was years later and he never denied paying them. He still is banned from campus but he did go to his sons graduation and nothing was said
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