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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 11:35:49 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 25, 2021 11:35:49 GMT -6
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 11:55:05 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jul 25, 2021 11:55:05 GMT -6
Looking good, that is 13 years out of school, too.
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 12:37:34 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 25, 2021 12:37:34 GMT -6
I know it's not much of a league but it seems like he is somewhat a local star and pretty much wins the map every year.. He had all the talent in the world but just not the mentality to get it done in the NFL. Had a coach tell me one time that Nate was at his best when the play was ok Nate just just throw the fucking ball to someone
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 17:45:40 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Jul 25, 2021 17:45:40 GMT -6
I remember, I think it was pre-draft, that some NFL team or maybe a few wanted to see him take some snaps under center. I further remember that Davis and his people took issue with this on the grounds that it was insulting to his abilities and likely racist. I mentioned on the board that this was an extraordinarily stupid attitude to take, given his likely position as a mid round pick, and how reasonable it was for teams to inform themselves on this aspect of his play. Of course several on this board said I was insulting his abilities and was likely racist. They apparently also believed it was most advisable to show teams that he was unaccommodating and prone to make frivolous accusations of racism.
I wonder if he ever looks back on that.
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 18:22:29 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jul 25, 2021 18:22:29 GMT -6
I have no idea how anyone could have perceived any of that as a racist.. I must not have been around then cause they would have killed me for saying what everyone knew and that is he was just not a smart guy. I'm sure that would have also been considered racist
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 19:52:18 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jul 25, 2021 19:52:18 GMT -6
I don’t remember any of that. I do know that Nate has a learning disability. Just a fact.
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Nate
Jul 25, 2021 20:51:59 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jul 25, 2021 20:51:59 GMT -6
I don’t remember any of that. I do know that Nate has a learning disability. Just a fact. If you are unable to read or unable to concentrate reliably these disabilities usually mean poor performance in school without accommodation. Maybe not lack of intelligence but certainly slower and more difficult learning ability in standard classroom settings. Which would include a lot of FB preparation.
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Post by david75bsu on Jul 26, 2021 4:34:50 GMT -6
Nate was really something with the football. To bad his brother was trying to relive his life through his brother and pushing him to skip his senior year. That extra year would have been important to Nate’s development. Still the best quarterback to ever touch the ball for BallU!
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Nate
Jul 26, 2021 6:18:07 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 26, 2021 6:18:07 GMT -6
Let's face it. Saying he has a "learning disability" is just a nice way of saying he's an idiot.
Hard to get too excited over seeing him throw a TD in a nothing league, when he could have been a starting NFL QB if he'd just done the work.
He's listed at 6-1, but he'd probably be 6-5 if he got his head out of his ass.
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Post by sdacardinal on Jul 26, 2021 7:52:27 GMT -6
Looks like you have a significant learning disability by not knowing there are people who really do have learning disabilities.
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Post by 00hmh on Jul 26, 2021 8:30:41 GMT -6
Let's face it. Saying he has a "learning disability" is just a nice way of saying he's an idiot. That's harsh, and over simplified.
His difficulty in the classroom part of the game was a fatal flaw in the pros where complexity increases and study skills even more essential. .
You should really rethink your exaggerated statement above, though. Learning disabilities and low IQ are different things. Dyslexia is real. Attention deficit disorders (ADD and ADHD) are real and measurable. There is a category of "intellectual disability" separate from learning disability, but also separate at least partially from IQ. There are cases of misdiagnosis and cases of possible attention deficit which are over treated, be skeptical but don't dismiss the idea.
Given Nate's record of performance and that he stayed eligible, the intellectual disability or low IQ (idiot is nonfunctional level) you attribute to him is just name calling. My gripe is more that in doing that you disparage and ignore real category of mental process impairment. Sure, we over rate IQ tests, and I'll grant you that psychology, it's constructs and theories, and it's imprecise results from testing all deserve a little skepticism. But there is no simple description that is accurate.
My take on that disastrous end to a season is simple enough. There is no question Nate crashed and burned after the regular season, and no question in my mind he was hurt by his advisors and his own reaction to pro prospects.
He was also hurt badly by the way the whole team responded to the coaching changes. The offensive line which had dominated in the second half of most games lost its edge and Nate no doubt was distracted. It had to be a shock to see things fall apart.
Blaming Nate is ignoring the real problem. Like most QB play, he really needed the whole team to play well around him in two tough match ups, and I can't blame his intellect or any lack of enough leadership ability in that crisis (he'd have had to be really extraordinary), not as much as the disintegration of the staff. That's what failed and it failed the team with it's whole structure fatally weakened.
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Nate
Jul 26, 2021 9:01:53 GMT -6
Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Jul 26, 2021 9:01:53 GMT -6
Oh, I'm not denying there are learning disabilities. I've spent my entire life dealing with difficulty in focusing on the matter at hand. Unfortunately, I passed that along to my son. Yet I managed to control it without drugs, and have been fairly successful in my life. Sure, I'm not an NFL QB either, but I'm missing a lot of the other necessities for that as well, like height, physical build/strength, etc.
No, I'm just saying that Nate was/is an idiot in the way he handled his entire career. BSU babysat him while he was here, and explained him away by saying he had a learning disability to mask his utter incompetence in the classroom. But when he went to the NFL, he was exposed. I don't know that another year at BSU would have helped, although it could have been a record breaking year for him.
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Post by chirpchirpnation on Jul 26, 2021 9:50:03 GMT -6
Well this escalated quickly
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Nate
Jul 26, 2021 10:01:06 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Jul 26, 2021 10:01:06 GMT -6
A BTW tidbit:
"Indianapolis Colts quarterbacks coach Frank Reich was the only scout to see Davis during the March 20 pro day, and that's likely because of Muncie's proximity to Indianapolis."
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Nate
Jul 26, 2021 12:13:13 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jul 26, 2021 12:13:13 GMT -6
No, I'm just saying that Nate was/is an idiot in the way he handled his entire career. BSU babysat him while he was here, and explained him away by saying he had a learning disability to mask his utter incompetence in the classroom. But when he went to the NFL, he was exposed. I don't know that another year at BSU would have helped, although it could have been a record breaking year for him. I agree he was in the colloquial sense an idiot in how he handled leaving school. I agree he got a lot of help from coaches and others to get as far as he did in college. Another year would have helped but realistically that team was going to be hurt badly by graduation losses. He'd set records, but he would not have had as big a year. Had he tested the waters with the pros and got some feedback, maybe he would have had a better shot after a year, but it's not certain. His weakness was not going to go away.
However, I believe that weakness was fairly called a learning disability. And it was substantial. Not just lazy or dumb, he struggled and tried, like anything he probably could have done more, that is possible, but it is not certain that would have been enough.
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