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Post by sweep on Nov 28, 2021 14:58:01 GMT -6
We shot over 50% from the field and 3 point Land which is likely part of the reason we were out rebounded We rank 288th in offensive rebounding and 289th in opponent defensive rebounding. So I don't think we were going to garb a lot of missed shots. |
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 28, 2021 15:42:34 GMT -6
Not really my point where we rank. My point is when you shoot a high percentage from the field & 3 point land there are simply less shots to rebound.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 28, 2021 15:52:40 GMT -6
So you’re saying we’d also get less of ISU misses because we shot well? And we rebound less of the shots WE missed because we shot well? So ISU out rebounded us because we missed less than they did and we didn’t get as many of their missed shots because we shot well? Is that what I’m hearing?
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 28, 2021 16:11:25 GMT -6
So I don't think we were going to garb a lot of missed shots. I don’t care how you dress it, we can’t afford to miss. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 28, 2021 16:13:55 GMT -6
Not really my point where we rank. My point is when you shoot a high percentage from the field & 3 point land there are simply less shots to rebound. The difference was in offensive rebounding. 13-5.
Since they did a fair number of threes that made it somewhat more likely they would corral a few more offensive rebounds. They missed 16 3-fga. We missed 13, That was obviously not the whole picture, we could have done better on those missed 2pfga where they sneaked in and got a board. That is where block out should help. Their small lineup did get to the boards.
Not surprisingly since we shot well, we did not feast on long rebounds quite as much.
But overall, given we were well ahead in the game, I suspect it was more than anything that we did not play quite as energetically as we might on the boards. Not hurting on this game, but not something we want on even games.
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Post by sweep on Nov 28, 2021 16:21:05 GMT -6
Not really my point where we rank. My point is when you shoot a high percentage from the field & 3 point land there are simply less shots to rebound. I don't even know what to say. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 28, 2021 16:51:31 GMT -6
There is a better argument that goes along the line that great defense cuts shot accuracy, gives MORE rebounds for the offense. Not a bad tradeoff.
Except we don't play great defense...
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 28, 2021 17:52:38 GMT -6
There is a better argument that goes along the line that great defense cuts shot accuracy, gives MORE rebounds for the offense. Not a bad tradeoff. Except we don't play great defense... I'm thinking some of you guys didn't do so well on certain parts of the SAT, maybe? Defenses historically and across all levels get roughly twice as many rebounds off the offense's misses as compared to the offense. In other words, defensive rebounding percentage is typically around 67% and offensive rebounding percentage is typically around 33% So, yes, a good defensive fg% does give the offense more rebounding opportunities, but gives the defense that same number of opportunities and defenses usually win twice the number of those opportunities compared to the offense. So while better fg% defense might tend to increase the absolute number of the opponent's offensive rebounds, it's going to move the rebound MARGIN in favor of the defensive team...which is what people rightly pay more attention to. There is no "tradeoff".... good defensive fg% both keeps your opponent's scoring down AND helps your rebounding margin. And those of you able to follow this probably also realize that offensive rebound % and defensive rebound % are still better statistics by which to evaluate a team than rebound margin is. Because rebound margin is affected by the relative number of offensive vs defensive rebound opportunities. |
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Post by thebsukid on Nov 28, 2021 19:09:04 GMT -6
Wow, wtf was I saying?? My only excuse was two bottles of wine at the beach! Going to bed early!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 28, 2021 20:30:58 GMT -6
Wow, wtf was I saying?? My only excuse was two bottles of wine at the beach! Going to bed early! drunk posting happens I've been there... keep drinking |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 28, 2021 20:56:16 GMT -6
Kid, if you have access to wine and a beach, you should jump off this ship of fools and go watch the moonrise or something.
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Post by jburton on Nov 28, 2021 23:35:52 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses.
I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both?
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Post by bsutrack on Nov 28, 2021 23:51:35 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? The only way I see that happening is BSU wins so many games another basketball program hires away Whitford. I just can't imagine that happening in this universe. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 29, 2021 4:09:04 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? The only way I see that happening is BSU wins so many games another basketball program hires away Whitford. I just can't imagine that happening in this universe. I agree. Our only two options are we go under .500 and he gets fired or we are an NCAA tourney team and he gets an opportunity elsewhere. Instead we know he’ll go at least .500 because the MAC west is incredibly bad, he’ll be top 8 to make the MAC tourney and the administration will call it good and extend him again or at minimum being him back another year. Won’t matter if he has any post season success or not. This Island of misfit toys roster will end up good enough to save his job but not enough to achieve any real success beyond maybe a 17 win season and a loss to Kent or Miami in the tourney. Something like that. The MAC seems not very good at all save a couple teams. |
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Post by jburton on Nov 29, 2021 5:00:40 GMT -6
Yeah, I see Whitford as always being the bridesmaid and never a bride. Good/safe enough to keep his job with an indifferent administration but not good enough to be a contender.
I don't want to take anything away from the win over ISU because the team played well. I can see improvement from game to game. Probably enough improvement that he might be around next season. I never want to be in a place where I can't enjoy a win, appreciate the improvement or hope for failure in hopes that the admin will make the right decision. There is no guarantee that the athletic director will make a change over the summer even if the team fails miserably.
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