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Post by sweep on Nov 29, 2021 5:19:08 GMT -6
The only way I see that happening is BSU wins so many games another basketball program hires away Whitford. I just can't imagine that happening in this universe. I agree. Our only two options are we go under .500 and he gets fired or we are an NCAA tourney team and he gets an opportunity elsewhere. Instead we know he’ll go at least .500 because the MAC west is incredibly bad, he’ll be top 8 to make the MAC tourney and the administration will call it good and extend him again or at minimum being him back another year. Won’t matter if he has any post season success or not. This Island of misfit toys roster will end up good enough to save his job but not enough to achieve any real success beyond maybe a 17 win season and a loss to Kent or Miami in the tourney. Something like that. The MAC seems not very good at all save a couple teams. No one is going to hire Whitford if he just puts BSU in the NCAA tourney. He would have to win three games before anyone cared. Even then I don't think an offer would materialize. He has had too many bad seasons. . |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 29, 2021 6:28:28 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way...I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? Good question and difficult one. That reflects prevailing opinion here. The AD and President no doubt weigh that factor. They have lower priority on BB being worth investing more, and are somewhat more concerned with how likely they can make a change and do better. Downside and expense more their concern. Call that "not caring" or call it conventional administration thinking. It is a reality. If Whit and the team play well this year their decision is not clear. I seriously doubt they will consider an NCAA berth as a necessity. I am not willing yet to even guess how we do, so I think this thread is premature at the least. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 29, 2021 6:51:07 GMT -6
Bottom line, short of an absolutely disastrous MAC season Whitford ain’t going anywhere. And that’s really depressing.
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Post by sweep on Nov 29, 2021 7:03:16 GMT -6
Bottom line, short of an absolutely disastrous MAC season Whitford ain’t going anywhere. And that’s really depressing. It's hard for me to comprehend the absolute neglect and incompetence that not only brought Whitford back this season, but rewarded him with an extension. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Nov 29, 2021 7:18:57 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? "Uncharted waters"? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Nov 29, 2021 9:53:20 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? With the exception of kid and oomh I think we are all in the same boat. While we all want to win none of us would care if we lost every game if it meant Whit was gone |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 29, 2021 10:09:38 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? With the exception of kid and oomh I think we are all in the same boat. While we all want to win none of us would care if we lost every game if it meant Whit was gone It's true. Total catch-22/deal with the devil type situation. I hate losing. But I also hate keeping a coach past his shelf life. Occasional decent seasons don't cut it. That's all we've gotten. Decent to mostly meh. I actually believe we have talent on this roster, but it's a patchwork quilt with some missing pieces and the guy sewing it together tends to have his creations tear apart late in seasons rather than elevate play. So I have a fear he'll win "just enough" for the administration to say, eh, let's keep going with it. It won't be any kind of satisfying winning where we do some post season work, it'll merely be just enough. And as we've seen, that's a pretty damned low bar with this administration. Basketball just isn't on the radar. It's football and women's sports. The rest of the men's sports suffer from lack of support. Rich Maloney does a helluva job with baseball despite pretty much having to do everything himself and pay out of pocket for stuff. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Nov 29, 2021 10:30:06 GMT -6
Bottom line, short of an absolutely disastrous MAC season Whitford ain’t going anywhere. And that’s really depressing. What's depressing is that there are people out there who think anything will happen even after a disastrous season. The only way Whit is going anywhere after this season is if he decides to step down. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 29, 2021 10:35:27 GMT -6
Bottom line, short of an absolutely disastrous MAC season Whitford ain’t going anywhere. And that’s really depressing. What's depressing is that there are people out there who think anything will happen even after a disastrous season. The only way Whit is going anywhere after this season is if he decides to step down. In all honesty, you are not wrong. They didn't give him extra years just to can him after this one. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 29, 2021 11:30:34 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? With the exception of kid and oomh I think we are all in the same boat. While we all want to win none of us would care if we lost every game if it meant Whit was gone You are right that I want to see our team play to its potential and be competitive and entertaining.
That so many might say it's such a high priority to change coaches that they would LOSE and be happy, no, I can't say that.
If the cry was for BSU to seriously upgrade its BB program with serious intent to win the MAC, I'd agree with that. Change for change's sake doesn't do that. So I back the team I have. Will support this and the next coach to do that. Whenever.
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Post by villagepub on Nov 29, 2021 15:27:54 GMT -6
I find myself in uncharted waters. Like everybody on this board, we want to see Ball State succeed and get better every season, in every game, in every way. I also have had enough of James whitford. He has been given more than enough time to develop a program that is a perennial MAC contender... Full stop. No excuses. I want Ball State to have a good year AND I want a new coach. Do these objectives have to be mutually exclusive? Can we have both? "Uncharted waters"?  |
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Nov 29, 2021 17:10:15 GMT -6
Didn't someone say the buyout wouldn't be bad if they let him go after this season? If that's true, I don't think he would survive a bad season. A so so season, probably escapes the hatchet.
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Post by jburton on Nov 29, 2021 17:29:38 GMT -6
Yeah, Navy/seafarer vernacular meaning unmapped parts of the ocean which can be hazardous for sailors to navigate. I don't know the civil war army equivalent... By that I mean that the ideas of wanting the coach to fail but the team to succeed seem diametrically opposed. I still want to enjoy small successes and victories but I want the coach to fall flat on his face. |
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Post by cardfan on Nov 29, 2021 17:38:33 GMT -6
Yeah, Navy/seafarer vernacular meaning unmapped parts of the ocean which can be hazardous for sailors to navigate. I don't know the civil war army equivalent... Unscorched earth? |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Nov 29, 2021 17:40:02 GMT -6
How have we not extended him since Saturday? We scored almost 100 points!
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