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Post by cardfan on Dec 1, 2021 9:16:25 GMT -6
What it sums up is the desire to knock anything Whitford does. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the fundraiser. It's no big deal, and nobody thinks it is, intended it to be. Would you somehow think more of it if he set a different goal? It supports a University fund raising initiative that isn't Whitford's idea and the basketball team was no doubt like other university organizations and activities invited to participate. That idea seems to me to be a gimmick nothing particularly good about it but cannot see any negative. Women's team is participating, I don't see others. But no big deal either way whether he did this. And it perfectly illustrates how you excuse mediocrity. How do you think this looks to recruits? Because you KNOW other coaches will point to this and say, "Look at these guys, they can't afford to feed their players! Why would you go there?" There is no way to spin this in a positive manner. I don't know if Whitford had anything to do with it, but damn, the optics are just incredibly bad. Exactly. Crowdfunding for food money for a D1 basketball program just doesn’t look right. Next they’ll say we don’t have any basketballs….. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 1, 2021 9:30:35 GMT -6
You know this whole fundraiser just sums up whits entire time here. He knows he can't raise real money so he will set a very achievable goal of 500 dollars. What it sums up is the desire to knock anything Whitford does. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the fundraiser. It's no big deal, and nobody thinks it is, intended it to be. Would you somehow think more of it if he set a different goal? It supports a University fund raising initiative that isn't Whitford's idea and the basketball team was no doubt like other university organizations and activities invited to participate. That idea seems to me to be a gimmick nothing particularly good about it but cannot see any negative. Women's team is participating, I don't see others. But no big deal either way whether he did this. I was just actually trying to get my taco bell joke out there. I also donated to it as I do everytime I see something or I'm asked too. That does not mean I don't think its just dumb as he'll. What's 500 bucks going to do for a team of 14. So yes the amount does matter I'd rather it say 5000 dollars to help with supplements. Whatever it is now comes off as a joke and you said yourself a gimmick. Why trivialize our team as a gimmick? Charlie needs a new costume, the cheerleaders need new uniforms but do you see those? Instead you get some dumb ass gimmick on the splash page |
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 1, 2021 9:57:00 GMT -6
What it sums up is the desire to knock anything Whitford does. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the fundraiser. It's no big deal, and nobody thinks it is, intended it to be. Would you somehow think more of it if he set a different goal? It supports a University fund raising initiative that isn't Whitford's idea and the basketball team was no doubt like other university organizations and activities invited to participate. That idea seems to me to be a gimmick nothing particularly good about it but cannot see any negative. Women's team is participating, I don't see others. But no big deal either way whether he did this. I was just actually trying to get my taco bell joke out there. I also donated to it as I do everytime I see something or I'm asked too. That does not mean I don't think its just dumb as he'll. What's 500 bucks going to do for a team of 14. So yes the amount does matter I'd rather it say 5000 dollars to help with supplements. Whatever it is now comes off as a joke and you said yourself a gimmick. Why trivialize our team as a gimmick? Charlie needs a new costume, the cheerleaders need new uniforms but do you see those? Instead you get some dumb ass gimmick on the splash page Ball State fund raising is trying a "grass roots" small donor strategy here. That's fine. I agree it is not a particularly good vehicle for FB or BB which has higher visibility, higher amount, opportunities. Since it is intended for that smaller scale purpose any higher funding goal amounts might not have been possible.
Totally fair to criticize the use of this vehicle for athletics, I suppose. My gripe is trying to make an unwarranted negative linkage to Whit or turning it into a cheap shot. I would guess the athletic teams got the memo and were urged to participate, not that Whitford decided it was a great idea and initiated it. I got the memo for another student organization fund I run and didn't participate, probably should.
I am all for Taco Bell jokes, and give you credit for putting your name on the donor wall with your comment and am all for seeing your $25 go to a good cause. Don't particularly like anonymous "cheap" shots, and don't think the donor wall is the place for since the fund raising effort is well intended.
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Post by cardfan on Dec 1, 2021 10:17:25 GMT -6
I don't think Whit has remotely anything to do with this thing. I don't think he has anything remotely to do with any type of fundraising or outreach of any kind, at all.
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Post by 00hmh on Dec 1, 2021 10:19:54 GMT -6
How do you think this looks to recruits? Because you KNOW other coaches will point to this and say, "Look at these guys, they can't afford to feed their players! Why would you go there?" There is no way to spin this in a positive manner. I don't know if Whitford had anything to do with it, but damn, the optics are just incredibly bad. Exactly. Crowdfunding for food money for a D1 basketball program just doesn’t look right. Next they’ll say we don’t have any basketballs….. Given how poorly some of our athletic programs are supported, small donations are not completely inappropriate, maybe even for FB and BB, although that is a sad comment in itself.
I just said above I do agree it is fair to criticize it for men's BB and FB. However, I cannot see this as "incredibly bad" or reflects on Whitford, and doubt any recruiter is going to waste time mentioning it.
Especially in other sports, teams probably should put up some projects they need funded. $500 dollars is not enough to address the shortage of basketballs though.
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Post by officerfarva on Dec 1, 2021 10:25:19 GMT -6
I have found the damn problem our guys are starving. What's odd is at the volleyball championship the each b ball player had a big box of chic Fila hand delivered to them in their seats followed by several rounds of Gatorade crowdfunding.bsu.edu/Ball State: Where the Speech Team can out-fundraise the Men's Basketball Team by approximately 7000%. Who says there's no excitement about this program??? I mean the Talkin' Cardinals, of course. I may actually donate to the Speech Team fundraiser, with the caveat that they take Whitford to Mexico City with them and leave him there. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Dec 1, 2021 11:08:06 GMT -6
I was just actually trying to get my taco bell joke out there. I also donated to it as I do everytime I see something or I'm asked too. That does not mean I don't think its just dumb as he'll. What's 500 bucks going to do for a team of 14. So yes the amount does matter I'd rather it say 5000 dollars to help with supplements. Whatever it is now comes off as a joke and you said yourself a gimmick. Why trivialize our team as a gimmick? Charlie needs a new costume, the cheerleaders need new uniforms but do you see those? Instead you get some dumb ass gimmick on the splash page Ball State fund raising is trying a "grass roots" small donor strategy here. That's fine. I agree it is not a particularly good vehicle for FB or BB which has higher visibility, higher amount, opportunities. Since it is intended for that smaller scale purpose any higher funding goal amounts might not have been possible.
Totally fair to criticize the use of this vehicle for athletics, I suppose. My gripe is trying to make an unwarranted negative linkage to Whit or turning it into a cheap shot. I would guess the athletic teams got the memo and were urged to participate, not that Whitford decided it was a great idea and initiated it. I got the memo for another student organization fund I run and didn't participate, probably should.
I am all for Taco Bell jokes, and give you credit for putting your name on the donor wall with your comment and am all for seeing your $25 go to a good cause. Don't particularly like anonymous "cheap" shots, and don't think the donor wall is the place for since the fund raising effort is well intended.
yoy know me I'm not going to hide anything. I have and always will support Ball State Sports as far as Whit agree he had nothing to do with it. That joke was for here nothing more. As far as the donor wall Where ever there is an opportunity to say truthful things about my opinion of the state of our badketball program I will. I did not take any personal shot at whit I never have unless it's been in a convo on here or in person with someone. When I have those shots have been facts. |
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Post by sweep on Dec 1, 2021 11:20:51 GMT -6
Don't particularly like anonymous "cheap" shots, and don't think the donor wall is the place for since the fund raising effort is well intended.
Oh looky, 00 once again jumps in and attempts to claim some sort of moral or intellectual high ground, what a shock. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Dec 1, 2021 11:47:36 GMT -6
I think the Donor Wall is the perfect place to voice a valid complaint. If everyone can see it, maybe it'll be taken more seriously.
Obviously they haven't been taken seriously yet.
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Post by coastalcard on Feb 2, 2022 12:48:25 GMT -6
Isu is a d2 team this year by necessity. New coach had to take what he could get after the best players left. He’ll rebuild but he’s gonna need time. Did they even attempt to guard? Thought it would be interesting to 👀 back to the ISU thread to see what the fan base was thinking early in the year. Not picking on Cardfan, just grabbed a representative post which kind of summarized most of the group back in late November. February 2, 2022, KenPom has Sycamores ⬆️ at 176 and the Cards ⬇️ at 244 FYI.....page 1 or 2 of this thread is where Sherm introduces his “equation” for determining Cardinal game success based on KenPom ranking, 3 point shooting %, etc. |
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Post by redbirdman on Feb 2, 2022 13:05:36 GMT -6
ISU,Valpo, & Eville are the MVC's NIU, WMU, & CMU they should all 3 be ranked below 250. Why give them credit for losing to other MVC teams. The 3 will be hard pressed to win against any other MVC teams other than among themselves.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 2, 2022 13:08:58 GMT -6
ISU,Valpo, & Eville are the MVC's NIU, WMU, & CMU they should all 3 be ranked below 250. Why give them credit for losing to other MVC teams. The 3 will be hard pressed to win against any other MVC teams other than among themselves. I saw that the other day. ISU, Valpo, Evansville bottom 3 in their conference. IUPUI worst in the country. Us, Butler, and Fort Wayne around .500. What the hell happened to college basketball in Indiana? |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 2, 2022 13:31:54 GMT -6
ISU,Valpo, & Eville are the MVC's NIU, WMU, & CMU they should all 3 be ranked below 250. Why give them credit for losing to other MVC teams. The 3 will be hard pressed to win against any other MVC teams other than among themselves. I saw that the other day. ISU, Valpo, Evansville bottom 3 in their conference. IUPUI worst in the country. Us, Butler, and Fort Wayne around .500. What the hell happened to college basketball in Indiana? All these schools more or less besides butler put to mutch stock in recruiting Indiana which once you get outside the top 10-15 is not what it used to be |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 2, 2022 13:44:58 GMT -6
I saw that the other day. ISU, Valpo, Evansville bottom 3 in their conference. IUPUI worst in the country. Us, Butler, and Fort Wayne around .500. What the hell happened to college basketball in Indiana? All these schools more or less besides butler put to mutch stock in recruiting Indiana which once you get outside the top 10-15 is not what it used to be You end up with a bunch of role players who start and are generally average players |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 2, 2022 14:34:19 GMT -6
All these schools more or less besides butler put to mutch stock in recruiting Indiana which once you get outside the top 10-15 is not what it used to be You end up with a bunch of role players who start and are generally average players That's preaching the scripture according to Ronnie Thompson! IU and PU recruit Indiana as do other MAC schools. I don't quite buy this theory of Calhoun's, and looking at our freshmen we have good Indiana kids and good kids out of state. Every state recruits it's home turf. Why the mid major schools are all down I'm not sure, though. Butler is in fast company. Others not the case. |
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