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Jan 22, 2022 11:53:32 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jan 22, 2022 11:53:32 GMT -6
It’s true that Darner doesn’t quite fit the Whitford assistant model of hiring guys who’ve not really done anything anywhere. So, it’s possible whit was “encouraged” to take him. The only other thing I can think about Darner landing with us is something happened at Green Bay that made other schools reluctant to hire him right now. There was silence from both sides after he was let go. I am not sure what happened at UWGB, all I know is the new coach is a complete disaster and they are talking about getting rid of him already. Yep. |
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Jan 22, 2022 20:31:19 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2022 20:31:19 GMT -6
Fans didn't get what they wanted with a coaching change, whatever Darner's failings had been.
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Jan 22, 2022 21:16:05 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Jan 22, 2022 21:16:05 GMT -6
Fans didn't get what they wanted with a coaching change, whatever Darner's failings had been. So no coaching changes can work? Bsu should never change a coach in case it might not work? |
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Jan 22, 2022 22:45:47 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Jan 22, 2022 22:45:47 GMT -6
Fans didn't get what they wanted with a coaching change, whatever Darner's failings had been. So no coaching changes can work? Bsu should never change a coach in case it might not work? Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. |
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Jan 23, 2022 7:13:50 GMT -6
Post by coastalcard on Jan 23, 2022 7:13:50 GMT -6
So no coaching changes can work? Bsu should never change a coach in case it might not work? Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. Truth. ⬆️ We caught lightning in a bottle for a brief period of our basketball history. But, that being said, I still buy a Powerball when the pot reaches $500,000,000 Magic 🎱 |
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Jan 23, 2022 8:53:57 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on Jan 23, 2022 8:53:57 GMT -6
I looked through the Wgb fan board to see if their fans were calling for Darner to be fired. For the most part they were not and were stunned when it happened. The few that were happy about hated darner from the start. No one has ever been able to determine why he was fired or the timing of it. It’s pretty clear the whole thing was botched and perhaps misguided. They’ve been worse off. I’m not saying he’d be successful at Bsu. However, he, got an NCAA Tourney appearance at that school. Whitford hasn’t even sniffed one and has been HC twice as long as Darner was at GB. At his point fans wanting to move on from Whitford isn’t unreasonable if we’re expecting any kind of standard of excellence. It’s gone beyond fans “getting what they wanted” and has become more about what exactly does the administration want? And do they even care about the people who buy the tickets to watch a program go nowhere?
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Jan 23, 2022 9:00:05 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Jan 23, 2022 9:00:05 GMT -6
So no coaching changes can work? Bsu should never change a coach in case it might not work? Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. Right. Better not to even try and stay with known failure, as you have always advocated. Smart. |
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 23, 2022 9:16:32 GMT -6
Any time I hear about a supposed "coach in waiting" scenario, it's almost always a case of wishful thinking by fans who don't like the current coach and would like to see him gone in any way possible. For example, I just heard on the radio the other day that Cowboys fans are thinking this about Dan Quinn. I think this is almost never the intention, and has too many obvious awkward aspects to be feasible. Except in unusual cases like Keady/Painter where the current coach is fully on board with his being replaced. By the way, in looking at the Cowboys site, I see that this is one of their assistants: Leon LettIf you remember what I remember, you might also find this hilarious. |
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Jan 23, 2022 9:22:02 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Jan 23, 2022 9:22:02 GMT -6
So no coaching changes can work? Bsu should never change a coach in case it might not work? Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. What would make you believe basketball is the top priority at UWGB ? They have won their conference once in the last 25 years. You are just clueless............... |
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Jan 23, 2022 10:55:19 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 23, 2022 10:55:19 GMT -6
Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. What would make you believe basketball is the top priority at UWGB ? They have won their conference once in the last 25 years. You are just clueless............... Granted this is smaller scale athletics than the "big time" of the MAC, but why would I believe that MBB is the top priority?
"Men’s sports consist of: basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, swimming, diving and tennis. Women’s sports are basketball, cross country, golf, soccer, softball, swimming, diving, tennis and volleyball." Which men's sport do you think they give priority?
They have about a 9 or 10 million dollar budget total with no football, and spend the largest single amount on MBB. About 2 million in expenses allocated to MBB. Revenue for MBB is about break even there. They paid Darner $230K and he had built in extensions for top 4 finishes in conference. The new coach is $175K without the guaranteed extensions.
WBB may also be a profitable sport. They have about 50% more women athletes at WGB and spend more total on the women with about 33% of expenses not allocated by gender. Facilities, trainers, marketing and other non coaching staff probably all included in that category.
Athletics is like BSU supported by student fees. I can't tell exactly but the per student subsidy may be about the same there.
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Jan 23, 2022 11:02:14 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Jan 23, 2022 11:02:14 GMT -6
Nah. But don't get hopes high BSU administration can do a better job than a school where BB is the top priority. Maybe they can cycle coaches in and out and get it right. We can't do that. Right. Better not to even try and stay with known failure, as you have always advocated. Smart. Could be? Just trust that BSU athletic administration! And trust the Higher Administration to give them the resources and authorization to spend them!
That's always been our motto around here?
I know, I know, they are going to follow the Sherman Plan of 3 year contracts on the cheap and make a breakthrough decision this time. But given the lure of this sure thing decision they have, a historic impending money saving decision, and if we are going to trust them so much, maybe we should trust their past decisions NOT to search? Could be? |
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 23, 2022 11:13:58 GMT -6
I'm not necessarily advocating hiring Darner, but what do we really know?
We know we don't have a lot of money to work with. Hell, they penny pinch Neu on hiring assistants and that's a sport they supposedly do care about.
We know Darner is working for less money than Whitford. Theoretically, you might assume he'll work for Whitford money.
We know Darner has more experience as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner has been more successful as a head coach than Whitford.
We know Darner knows the state and the recruiting region.
So give him 10-15 games as the interim and see what happens. I wouldn't expect him to correct all the flaws of a Whitford coached team in that span, but you'd have a taste.
You also avoid the players making transfer decisions based on pure emotion. They'll play out the season under a different coach and then at least decide their future with some hard data about what their future here might look like.
And if Darner doesn't pass muster, you move one.
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Jan 23, 2022 11:17:46 GMT -6
I'm not necessarily advocating hiring Darner, but what do we really know? We know we don't have a lot of money to work with. Hell, they penny pinch Neu on hiring assistants and that's a sport they supposedly do care about. We know Darner is working for less money than Whitford. Theoretically, you might assume he'll work for Whitford money. We know Darner has more experience as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner has been more successful as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner knows the state and the recruiting region. So give him 10-15 games as the interim and see what happens. I wouldn't expect him to correct all the flaws of a Whitford coached team in that span, but you'd have a taste. You also avoid the players making transfer decisions based on pure emotion. They'll play out the season under a different coach and then at least decide their future with some hard data about what their future here might look like. And if Darner doesn't pass muster, you move one. This approach certainly has merit - which is why it will never see the light of day. |
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Post by cardfan on Jan 23, 2022 12:19:06 GMT -6
I'm not necessarily advocating hiring Darner, but what do we really know? We know we don't have a lot of money to work with. Hell, they penny pinch Neu on hiring assistants and that's a sport they supposedly do care about. We know Darner is working for less money than Whitford. Theoretically, you might assume he'll work for Whitford money. We know Darner has more experience as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner has been more successful as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner knows the state and the recruiting region. So give him 10-15 games as the interim and see what happens. I wouldn't expect him to correct all the flaws of a Whitford coached team in that span, but you'd have a taste. You also avoid the players making transfer decisions based on pure emotion. They'll play out the season under a different coach and then at least decide their future with some hard data about what their future here might look like. And if Darner doesn't pass muster, you move one. Pretty reasonable. And will never happen. |
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Jan 23, 2022 12:56:08 GMT -6
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Post by coastalcard on Jan 23, 2022 12:56:08 GMT -6
I'm not necessarily advocating hiring Darner, but what do we really know? We know we don't have a lot of money to work with. Hell, they penny pinch Neu on hiring assistants and that's a sport they supposedly do care about. We know Darner is working for less money than Whitford. Theoretically, you might assume he'll work for Whitford money. We know Darner has more experience as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner has been more successful as a head coach than Whitford. We know Darner knows the state and the recruiting region. So give him 10-15 games as the interim and see what happens. I wouldn't expect him to correct all the flaws of a Whitford coached team in that span, but you'd have a taste. You also avoid the players making transfer decisions based on pure emotion. They'll play out the season under a different coach and then at least decide their future with some hard data about what their future here might look like. And if Darner doesn't pass muster, you move one. What if Darner doesn't pass muster but succeeds in cutting the mustard? That’ quite a conundrum for an AD 🤔 |
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