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Post by bsu0 on Feb 6, 2022 14:08:06 GMT -6
Do not get your hopes up gentlemen. Haven't you learned by now? Are you willing to give up eight years of mediocre play at best for one upset? If you do not study history (or at least remember some of it) you will relive it. A blind rodent with a bushy tail will find an acorn once in a while.
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 7, 2022 10:24:07 GMT -6
BSU 0 may be correct, but I would say to date this team has outperformed most people on the board’s expectations and we have had several bright spots with Freshman Sparks and Sellers. Also, Luke has been pretty consistent and Cochran does a lot of dirty work regardless of a few flaws; he rebounds and get steals and can find his way to the rack. His shot behind the arch seems to improved some. Also, Thomas seems to have found his stroke and has picked up his defense quite a bit.
Not a perfect team by any means but one if people are being perfectly candid they would need to say this team has exceeded expectations
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Toledo
Feb 7, 2022 11:06:05 GMT -6
Post by redbirdman on Feb 7, 2022 11:06:05 GMT -6
Us beating Toledo was not a big surprise to Toledo. Check their board they had the game as one of the 2 remaining games they could lose. I think our win over Toledo in 2021 81-67 was just as big last yr. We have a win over Toledo every yr starting in 2016. We have a winning record against Kowalczyk at Toledo winning 13 & losing 12. So while nice it's not a big surprise
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Toledo
Feb 7, 2022 11:59:04 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Feb 7, 2022 11:59:04 GMT -6
Toledo hasn't made the NCAA tourney since 1980, so does beating them mean anything ? They are consistently slightly better than mediocre season after season, which is okay, but hardly anything special.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 7, 2022 18:13:23 GMT -6
Toledo hasn't made the NCAA tourney since 1980, so does beating them mean anything ? They are consistently slightly better than mediocre season after season, which is okay, but hardly anything special. THIS YEAR they are one of the two top MAC teams. So, yes, it means something. Always good to beat a good team.
They are about 100-60 over the last 10 years in the MAC. 10 seasons with overall winning record all games. Something like the same 200-120 overall. Both those things are among the top 3 in the MAC.
Calling them "mediocre season after season" while having such a good winning MAC record I guess that means the MAC is "mediocre," but that's the league we are in.
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Feb 7, 2022 21:31:39 GMT -6
Toledo hasn't made the NCAA tourney since 1980, so does beating them mean anything ? They are consistently slightly better than mediocre season after season, which is okay, but hardly anything special. THIS YEAR they are one of the two top MAC teams. So, yes, it means something. Always good to beat a good team.
They are about 100-60 over the last 10 years in the MAC. 10 seasons with overall winning record all games. Something like the same 200-120 overall. Both those things are among the top 3 in the MAC.
Calling them "mediocre season after season" while having such a good winning MAC record I guess that means the MAC is "mediocre," but that's the league we are in.
The MAC is less than mediocre. |
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Toledo
Feb 8, 2022 7:13:15 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 8, 2022 7:13:15 GMT -6
THIS YEAR they are one of the two top MAC teams. So, yes, it means something. Always good to beat a good team.
They are about 100-60 over the last 10 years in the MAC. 10 seasons with overall winning record all games. Something like the same 200-120 overall. Both those things are among the top 3 in the MAC.
Calling them "mediocre season after season" while having such a good winning MAC record I guess that means the MAC is "mediocre," but that's the league we are in.
The MAC is less than mediocre. Nah. Just literally a middling conference. But not less than that. Ranked in the middle. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 8, 2022 8:12:52 GMT -6
To me, Middling appears to connote mediocre. Not top flight, not bottom feeders = mediocre. What does it really mean to be the best team in a "middling" league? You are essentially still a middling team unless you have a level of success in the post season that exceeds middling. Ultimately, if the best team in a middling conference does nothing more than win that conference (lacks post season success) then, you are, in the BIG scheme of things mediocre. Toledo has been a really good, sometimes great team in our little neck of the woods, but they've not broken out past that like Ohio and UB have with their great teams when they've won NCAA tourney games. But, I'd certainly like to have Toledo's sustained success within the MAC.
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Toledo
Feb 8, 2022 8:22:45 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Feb 8, 2022 8:22:45 GMT -6
Being in the top third of the MAC every year is meaningless.
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Toledo
Feb 8, 2022 8:50:46 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 8, 2022 8:50:46 GMT -6
Being in the top third of the MAC every year is meaningless. It would thrill any AD in any mid major conference with FSB FB. Fans would like all those home wins. Plus. With a top 3 team you are going to be in Semis and Final games with good chances to go to the NCAA Sure, maybe by top 40 big school standards that isn't all that much. Why exactly are we a school who can dismiss it? One very short good tournament streak 30 years ago? Our record of tourney wins which we should be proud of is not exactly "top tier." Dare I say mediocre by your standard? But not at all anything to dismiss. |
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Toledo
Feb 8, 2022 9:38:21 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Feb 8, 2022 9:38:21 GMT -6
Being in the top third of the MAC every year is meaningless. It would thrill any AD in any mid major conference with FSB FB. Everyone in the conference has the same football requirements. How is that relevant ? |
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Post by swenocha on Feb 8, 2022 9:39:06 GMT -6
One very short good tournament streak 30 years ago? 11 tournament appearances in 22 years seems to be a bit longer than a 'very short tournament streak.' NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen: 1990 NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 1989, 1990 NCAA Tournament Appearances: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 NIT Tournament Quarterfinals: 2002 NIT Appearances: 1991, 1992, 1998, 2002 Conference tournament champions: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 Conference regular season champions: 1981, 1982, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1998, 2000 Attachments:
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Toledo
Feb 8, 2022 11:28:57 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 8, 2022 11:28:57 GMT -6
One very short good tournament streak 30 years ago? 11 tournament appearances in 21 years seems to be a bit longer than a 'very short tournament streak.' NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen: 1990 NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 1989, 1990 NCAA Tournament Appearances: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 NIT Tournament Quarterfinals: 2002 NIT Appearances: 1991, 1992, 1998, 2002 Conference tournament champions: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 Conference regular season champions: 1981, 1982, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1998, 2000 People here are properly calling the MAC a mid major conference, and by definition a "mediocre" one by a strict standard. 30+ conferences where we are at the edge of the top 1/3.
I don't see how that is "less than mediocre" as someone said.
We were a tough team in the 90's. Our glory days 20 years ago don't mean finishing every year in the top 3 is "nothing."
So, despite our all being proud, I see one year on your list where we won more than 1 NCAA game, 2 years where we even won a game. That ONE year was a tournament streak and impressive. How many MAC teams. not many, have matched that record of winning NCAA games? We join those teams as top teams in our day. But, still, top 3 for 10 years is a good showing, not nothing.
Taking that whole very good 10 year period for us, it means little right now, and THAT whole glory period also was frigging 20+ years ago, it doesn't elevate us out of mid major status, to disdain and look down on good mid major performance by someone else.
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Post by sweep on Feb 8, 2022 11:37:07 GMT -6
11 tournament appearances in 21 years seems to be a bit longer than a 'very short tournament streak.' NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen: 1990 NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 1989, 1990 NCAA Tournament Appearances: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 NIT Tournament Quarterfinals: 2002 NIT Appearances: 1991, 1992, 1998, 2002 Conference tournament champions: 1981, 1986, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1995, 2000 Conference regular season champions: 1981, 1982, 1989, 1990, 1993, 1998, 2000 , to disdain and look down on good mid major performance by someone else.
Toledo hasn't been to the NCAA Tournament in 42 years, how does that qualify as "good mid major performance" ? You are a nitwit. |
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Post by swenocha on Feb 8, 2022 11:48:55 GMT -6
So, you don't think it's a reasonable goal to make the NCAA or NIT tournament on a more frequent basis than zero times in the last 20 years? From 1981 to 2002 (a span of 22 years), that goal was attained 50% of the time. Even just looking at the period prior to the "glory" period you reference when the team was not a world-beater, the Cards made the NCAA tournament 25% of the time (during the '81-'88 time period). Is 25% of the time reasonable? 10%? Or are we content with 0% of the time for the last two decades and placing a consistent top third in the regular-season standings (with a "good chance to go to the NCAA" that never. ever materializes)?
For a like-to-like comparison, let's look at Kent in the 2000's. Similar situation... MAC (one bid conference), etc.
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight: 2002
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen: 2002
NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 2001, 2002
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 1999, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2008, 2017
NIT Second Round Appearances: 2010
NIT Quarterfinal Appearances: 2000, 2011
NIT Tournament Appearances: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2010, 2011
Conference tournament champions: 1999, 2001, 2002, 2006, 2008, 2017
Conference regular season champions: 2002, 2006, 2008, 2010, 2011, 2015
Why is Kent (or Ohio... or Buffalo... or Akron) this successful, yet BSU is saddled with a constant "good chance to go to the NCAA" that doesn't actually exist? Should BSU not aspire to be this consistent (or even half this consistent... or a quarter this consistent)? This is what good mid-major performance looks like.
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Buffalo (in the 2000's):
NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 2018, 2019
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019
NIT Tournament Appearances: 2005, 2021
Conference tournament champions: 2015, 2016, 2018, 2019
Conference regular season champions: 2009, 2015, 2018, 2019
Akron (in the 2000's):
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 2009, 2011, 2013
NIT Tournament Appearances: 2006, 2008, 2012, 2016, 2017
Conference tournament champions: 2009, 2011, 2013
Conference regular season champions: 2012, 2013, 2016, 2017, 2020
Ohio (in the 2000's):
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen: 2012
NCAA Tournament Round of 32: 2010, 2012, 2021
NCAA Tournament Appearances: 2005, 2010, 2012, 2021
NIT Tournament Appearances: 2013
Conference tournament champions: 2005, 2010, 2012, 2021
Conference regular season champions: 2013
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