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Post by journalismjoe76 on Feb 4, 2022 15:42:59 GMT -6
Sellers started became a decent defender. Good not great recruit. Let's review. One minute you say Sellers is a success and in the next post, he's good not great. Which is it? Then you state he's a decent defender, but we all not that Whit's team can't defend. He scored 26 points in that first game against a tough Utah squad and only exceeded that number once during the rest of his career. I said earlier I was a fan of Sean's having watched him in high school, but never improved offensively since that first game. |
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Post by comet on Feb 4, 2022 15:43:31 GMT -6
Transferred in from Youngstown State I believe. Agree Cardtalk, he should never have played in front of Sellers.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 15:48:20 GMT -6
Sellers started became a decent defender. Good not great recruit. Let's review. One minute you say Sellers is a success and in the next post, he's good not great. Which is it? Then you state he's a decent defender, but we all not that Whit's team can't defend. He scored 26 points in that first game against a tough Utah squad and only exceeded that number once during the rest of his career. I said earlier I was a fan of Sean's having watched him in high school, but never improved offensively since that first game. Good is a recruiting success. Most recruits are not starters 4 years. |
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Feb 4, 2022 16:06:01 GMT -6
Let's review. One minute you say Sellers is a success and in the next post, he's good not great. Which is it? Then you state he's a decent defender, but we all not that Whit's team can't defend. He scored 26 points in that first game against a tough Utah squad and only exceeded that number once during the rest of his career. I said earlier I was a fan of Sean's having watched him in high school, but never improved offensively since that first game. Good is a recruiting success. Most recruits are not starters 4 years. Unless they play on a mediocre team that's led by a mediocre coach. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 16:41:35 GMT -6
Good is a recruiting success. Most recruits are not starters 4 years. Unless they play on a mediocre team that's led by a mediocre coach. If you don't consider Sellers a success, I am not sure what you count. |
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 4, 2022 16:41:40 GMT -6
An out of left field comment, Luke Brown has “big time” under performed! IMO, of course. Windom, in one game shows he deserves more time on the court - but I voted he gets none tonight.
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Feb 4, 2022 16:56:21 GMT -6
Unless they play on a mediocre team that's led by a mediocre coach. If you don't consider Sellers a success, I am not sure what you count. I never stated that he wasn't a "good success or a great success". My point was merely that he regressed from his first year (and first game) at BSU. Good coaches improve players during their career. Sellers seemed to have peaked Day 1 and declined from there. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 17:06:18 GMT -6
If you don't consider Sellers a success, I am not sure what you count. I never stated that he wasn't a "good success or a great success". My point was merely that he regressed from his first year (and first game) at BSU. Good coaches improve players during their career. Sellers seemed to have peaked Day 1 and declined from there. But your argument is he was a starter on a weak team and built better stats early. No doubt that is true. Playing on better teams I don't know how much he "should" have improved. He was used differently as we developed a better team. Shared the scoring and PT with other good recruits. He did improve on the defensive side of the ball and I think was a better player.
If you aren't arguing with me that he was a good recruit, what else was I saying where you and I disagree? 
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Feb 4, 2022 17:27:55 GMT -6
I never stated that he wasn't a "good success or a great success". My point was merely that he regressed from his first year (and first game) at BSU. Good coaches improve players during their career. Sellers seemed to have peaked Day 1 and declined from there. But your argument is he was a starter on a weak team and built better stats early. No doubt that is true. Playing on better teams I don't know how much he "should" have improved. He was used differently as we developed a better team. Shared the scoring and PT with other good recruits. He did improve on the defensive side of the ball and I think was a better player.
If you aren't arguing with me that he was a good recruit, what else was I saying where you and I disagree? 
I checked the records. Sellers only started 2 games his sophomore year. So much for a four-year starter. BTW - Somehow, I missed Cardtalk's earlier post. He nailed it! |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 18:34:41 GMT -6
But your argument is he was a starter on a weak team and built better stats early. No doubt that is true. Playing on better teams I don't know how much he "should" have improved. He was used differently as we developed a better team. Shared the scoring and PT with other good recruits. He did improve on the defensive side of the ball and I think was a better player.
If you aren't arguing with me that he was a good recruit, what else was I saying where you and I disagree?
I checked the records. Sellers only started 2 games his sophomore year. So much for a four-year starter. BTW - Somehow, I missed Cardtalk's earlier post. He nailed it! So you changed your mind and now conclude he was not good? This is a silly argument where I don't see why you are making a big deal about what ultimately was a comment on good shooting not being quite enough, and then that Kiapway fell short his senior year.
Looks like Sellers was a bit short his Sophomore year in terms of matching his All MAC Freshman stats.
Both demonstrated how shooting can be used in an important way, without really high volume (contrary to sweeps statement above that they are no good if they don't shoot more than 5 times), and I see no contradiction or refutation of my idea that you need more than shooting to make an impact, get minutes. Kiapway and Sellers both managed that in their careers, , both players were guys who came in and gave a lot to BSU. Sellers the better of the two? .
Which was a question raised about Windham, who I think I agree with most has to be looked at seriously to get more minutes if he will put out the effort, game and practice, and play a little D. |
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Feb 4, 2022 19:19:35 GMT -6
I never brought up Kiapway and I never said he was not good. Stop putting words in my mouth.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 4, 2022 19:29:27 GMT -6
An out of left field comment, Luke Brown has “big time” under performed! IMO, of course. I guess it's all about expectations, isn't it. I'm don't think anyone should have reasonably expected more than he's done ... well, unless you were duped by all the promotion the athletic department did. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 19:49:42 GMT -6
I never brought up Kiapway and I never said he was not good. Stop putting words in my mouth. Nor did I say you did. |
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Post by mattg on Feb 4, 2022 20:30:15 GMT -6
Took Windham about 5 seconds to jack up a three.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2022 22:34:45 GMT -6
Games over and I can't see a good reason to question coaching decision on Windham tonight.
Looks like he's a talent we need to harness but that harnessing is not going to be easy.
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