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Post by universityjim on Feb 23, 2022 9:01:47 GMT -6
Marine Thomas almost had a double double: 19 points and NINE turnovers. And he played 34 minutes. Second most of anyone on the team. He threw the ball away once undefended before we reached mid court! Just threw it to nobody. The guys head is not where it needs to be. Probably still thinking about what a difference he was making by kneeling for the national anthem. |
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Kent
Feb 23, 2022 9:49:18 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 23, 2022 9:49:18 GMT -6
I think if the truth were known half the team does not give two shits anymore. Whits obviously just letting them play and longer really even coaching. It's a mess
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Feb 23, 2022 10:34:49 GMT -6
Marine Thomas almost had a double double: 19 points and NINE turnovers. And he played 34 minutes. Second most of anyone on the team. He threw the ball away once undefended before we reached mid court! Just threw it to nobody. The guys head is not where it needs to be. Probably still thinking about what a difference he was making by kneeling for the national anthem. Taking him out would mean deviating from the pre-decided plan. Which would mean whit would have to know what’s going on and how to react to it, which he has proven he cannot do |
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Feb 23, 2022 15:04:31 GMT -6
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 23, 2022 15:04:31 GMT -6
Marine Thomas almost had a double double: 19 points and NINE turnovers. Thomas is not a marine |
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Feb 23, 2022 15:34:05 GMT -6
Post by universityjim on Feb 23, 2022 15:34:05 GMT -6
Marine Thomas almost had a double double: 19 points and NINE turnovers. Thomas is not a marine He's not the state of Montana either. |
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Feb 24, 2022 5:30:46 GMT -6
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Post by bsu1 on Feb 24, 2022 5:30:46 GMT -6
Marine Thomas almost had a double double: 19 points and NINE turnovers. Thomas is not a marine stupid autocorrect. |
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Post by cardtalk on Feb 24, 2022 8:53:10 GMT -6
Someone asked the question earlier (and several times this season) about us seemingly giving up career nights to guards almost every game .... well I looked for this season, and it is pretty close to accurate.
Here are the list of career (or within 3 points of career) highs given up JUST THIS YEAR - by point order (along with scoring averages)
Sincere Carry - Kent - 42 (18.5 ppg)
Colton Sandage - Western Illinois - 33 (13.8 ppg)
Koby McEwen - Weber State - 30 (32 is high) (18 ppg)
Xavier Castandeda - Akron - 29 (12.6 ppg)
Cameron Healy - CMU - 27 (11.1 ppg)
Dae Dae Grant - Miami - 26 (17.3 ppg)
Tevin Brewer - Florida International - 25 (15.6 ppg)
Zach Freemantle - Xavier - 24 (not a guard) - (10 ppg)
Josiah Strong - Illinois State - 23 (26 is high) - (11.7 ppg)
B Artis White - WMU - 21 (23 is high) - (7.4 ppg)
This is really bad. That Pack Line Defense is really shutting things down.
If you are keeping score at home - that is 10 career highs given up in 27 games so far - or basically we give up a career high to someone almost 40% of the time
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Feb 24, 2022 8:59:23 GMT -6
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Post by universityjim on Feb 24, 2022 8:59:23 GMT -6
I wonder if that is a metric old Jim Whitford watches?
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Feb 24, 2022 9:09:50 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on Feb 24, 2022 9:09:50 GMT -6
I wonder if that is a metric old Jim Whitford watches? That's probably an analytic he does NOT use. Which, maybe if Whit taught/coached a defense that, you know, didn't give 40 minutes of open looks or "mehly" contested shots to guys who double and triple their normal scoring averages against us, maybe, just maybe he'd win more games. Maybe he has notes that say, "when opposing player goes off, do NOT make any significant changes in how we guard, because that is not MY process. Instead, stick hands in armpits and stare into distance." |
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Feb 24, 2022 9:36:13 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 24, 2022 9:36:13 GMT -6
Someone asked the question earlier (and several times this season) about us seemingly giving up career nights to guards almost every game .... well I looked for this season....This is really bad. That Pack Line Defense is really shutting things down. If you are keeping score at home - that is 10 career highs given up in 27 games so far - or basically we give up a career high to someone almost 40% of the time Good work! Nailed it! The theory according to Dick Bennet is you stay out and guard closer the best shooter. Pack in to stop post play and help on the drive. Supposed to have a guy capable of protecting the rim, so we can help and recover to the line. We do not. Thomas seems to be assigned that role more than Sparks(not much vertical and not yet a good defender) With the 3pfga and so many shooters reasonably proficient it's hard... Like zone it's more ball oriented than man oriented. Can't quite as easily focus on the hot hand maybe. You still should be able to slow a hot shooter. We fail. But you can't be surprised a guard is likely to be able to get free. If someone goes out to screen for the hot hand, the defender of the screener has a tough decision. Stay in the pack line or go out to switch the screen or try to fight through or let the screen work. We seem to be choosing the last option since we really don't have an interior stopper. I did not get switching to a zone so much which has the same weakness. Bumb isn't holding his own as often as earlier in the season. |
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Feb 24, 2022 9:46:07 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Feb 24, 2022 9:46:07 GMT -6
So in other words, after nine years, we still don't have the recruits to run a functioning pack line defense, but we run it anyway. That is some great coaching. Yeah 00 let's avoid the issue Jim's competency because it might hurt his feelings.
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Feb 24, 2022 9:50:04 GMT -6
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 24, 2022 9:50:04 GMT -6
Someone asked the question earlier (and several times this season) about us seemingly giving up career nights to guards almost every game .... well I looked for this season, and it is pretty close to accurate. Here are the list of career (or within 3 points of career) highs given up JUST THIS YEAR - by point order (along with scoring averages) Sincere Carry - Kent - 42 (18.5 ppg) Colton Sandage - Western Illinois - 33 (13.8 ppg) Koby McEwen - Weber State - 30 (32 is high) (18 ppg) Xavier Castandeda - Akron - 29 (12.6 ppg) Cameron Healy - CMU - 27 (11.1 ppg) Dae Dae Grant - Miami - 26 (17.3 ppg) Tevin Brewer - Florida International - 25 (15.6 ppg) Zach Freemantle - Xavier - 24 (not a guard) - (10 ppg) Josiah Strong - Illinois State - 23 (26 is high) - (11.7 ppg) B Artis White - WMU - 21 (23 is high) - (7.4 ppg) This is really bad. That Pack Line Defense is really shutting things down. If you are keeping score at home - that is 10 career highs given up in 27 games so far - or basically we give up a career high to someone almost 40% of the time Good lord. |
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Feb 24, 2022 9:53:32 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Feb 24, 2022 9:53:32 GMT -6
So in other words, after nine years, we still don't have the recruits to run a functioning pack line defense, but we run it anyway. That is some great coaching. Yeah 00 let's avoid the issue Jim's competency because it might hurt his feelings. That's it in a nutshell-- after all this time we STILL lack the requisite parts to run offensive/defensive systems that Whit is married to. But, he's gonna run the same stuff no matter what. If we had a Lonnie Jones, sure, maybe packline would work. But, it's a pretty bad recipe every year to have guards constantly getting beat off the dribble and no one inside to stop the drive or at least make the driver think about it. And if we don't have the size and athleticism on the perimeter to guard out there, well, we continue to have what we have. |
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Post by cardtalk on Feb 24, 2022 9:58:56 GMT -6
Things we don't do well on defense:
- stop dribble penetration
- defend the pick and roll
- close out on 3-point shooters
- defensive rebound
- help and recover
- stop teams from scoring
- switch up scheme to defend a hot player
What we do well on defense:
- pack lines. We pack all the lines. Where we pack said lines is another question.
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 24, 2022 10:02:51 GMT -6
Things we don't do well on defense: - stop dribble penetration - defend the pick and roll - close out on 3-point shooters - defensive rebound - help and recover - stop teams from scoring - switch up scheme to defend a hot player What we do well on defense: - pack lines. We pack all the lines. Where we pack said lines is another question. And we click on all fires. |
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