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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 25, 2022 10:15:52 GMT -6
We have a good facility and can attract fans if we develop a winning program - heck, we have the third best attendance in the MAC with Whitless taking us nowhere. It’s time for a change! Indeed, BSU was the MAC leader in attendance at the end of the Buckley era, even though that's a low bar to clear. Say what you want about his personality and coaching style, but at least he sold the program to the public. We won't even get into Thompson. Billy Taylor was a quiet, nice guy who had a some decently talented teams but coached a nearly unwatchable style that drove people away. Whitford can recruit good talent and counsel to their needs, but I just don't believe he's an effective leader, or that he can coach guys up to play the game he wants. After the last few seasons, I'm not sure what that is anymore. |
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Post by cardfan on Feb 25, 2022 10:34:22 GMT -6
We have a good facility and can attract fans if we develop a winning program - heck, we have the third best attendance in the MAC with Whitless taking us nowhere. It’s time for a change! Indeed, BSU was the MAC leader in attendance at the end of the Buckley era, even though that's a low bar to clear. Say what you want about his personality and coaching style, but at least he sold the program to the public. We won't even get into Thompson. Billy Taylor was a quiet, nice guy who had a some decently talented teams but coached a nearly unwatchable style that drove people away. Whitford can recruit good talent and counsel to their needs, but I just don't believe he's an effective leader, or that he can coach guys up to play the game he wants. After the last few seasons, I'm not sure what that is anymore. You get it. |
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Kent
Feb 25, 2022 11:04:14 GMT -6
Post by prestonp on Feb 25, 2022 11:04:14 GMT -6
As a Ball State fan of more than 50 years, let me say I am embarrassed that Whitless is still coaching at Ball State. Many of our current players I really like, I like there toughness for the game - key among them are Sparks, Sellers, and Cochran. Overall, not bad talent. The bad is in the coaching. The rating systems place Ball State in the same place as it was when Whitless came to Ball U! It is time for a change. The AD needs to meet with the players, explain the situation, let them know we will be looking for a stronger coach who will get them where they need to be to win. I’d even ask them to select a player to be on the search committee. Ball State deserves more than Whitless has given the University and its fans. We have a good facility and can attract fans if we develop a winning program - heck, we have the third best attendance in the MAC with Whitless taking us nowhere. It’s time for a change! Amen brother! |
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Kent
Feb 25, 2022 11:16:19 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Feb 25, 2022 11:16:19 GMT -6
We have a good facility and can attract fans if we develop a winning program - heck, we have the third best attendance in the MAC with Whitless taking us nowhere. It’s time for a change! Indeed, BSU was the MAC leader in attendance at the end of the Buckley era, even though that's a low bar to clear. Say what you want about his personality and coaching style, but at least he sold the program to the public. We won't even get into Thompson. Billy Taylor was a quiet, nice guy who had a some decently talented teams but coached a nearly unwatchable style that drove people away. Whitford can recruit good talent and counsel to their needs, but I just don't believe he's an effective leader, or that he can coach guys up to play the game he wants. After the last few seasons, I'm not sure what that is anymore. Completely disagree about Buckley selling anything. He was simply riding the momentum of continual championship contention from the preceding 12 years....which he had a big role in ending. |
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Post by thebsukid on Feb 25, 2022 11:34:30 GMT -6
I think Buck was a pretty good Coach!! He had a lot of obstacles to overcome. He has done well at IU and is now thought by many to be a top Assistant at UNLV
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 25, 2022 11:42:09 GMT -6
Indeed, BSU was the MAC leader in attendance at the end of the Buckley era, even though that's a low bar to clear. Say what you want about his personality and coaching style, but at least he sold the program to the public. We won't even get into Thompson. Billy Taylor was a quiet, nice guy who had a some decently talented teams but coached a nearly unwatchable style that drove people away. Whitford can recruit good talent and counsel to their needs, but I just don't believe he's an effective leader, or that he can coach guys up to play the game he wants. After the last few seasons, I'm not sure what that is anymore. Completely disagree about Buckley selling anything. He was simply riding the momentum of continual championship contention from the preceding 12 years....which he had a big role in ending. I can't be quite so harsh on Buckley, but he did start out with great momentum and just could not keep it going.
I agree Buckley wasn't a great PR guy, but his downfall was probably that his old school approach was running head long into changing academic and NCAA rule making and a BSU administration which like most others was sensitive to the new world order.
My gripes with them were more with the Hunsaker firing when they went overboard. That was self inflicted harm. Their wanting Buckley to operate under more constraints and pay more attention to the administrative/PR side of his job and to make changes was due to external pressure from changing NCAA rules. And he had not been very good dealing with that pressure from within or without the U.
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Feb 25, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 25, 2022 11:44:04 GMT -6
I think Buck was a pretty good Coach!! He had a lot of obstacles to overcome. He has done well at IU and is now thought by many to be a top Assistant at UNLV Agree, he was in the new world order a great assistant. No need to be the face of the program or deal with the BS. He could just coach. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 25, 2022 11:46:29 GMT -6
We have a good facility and can attract fans if we develop a winning program - heck, we have the third best attendance in the MAC with Whitless taking us nowhere. It’s time for a change! Indeed, BSU was the MAC leader in attendance at the end of the Buckley era, even though that's a low bar to clear. Say what you want about his personality and coaching style, but at least he sold the program to the public. We won't even get into Thompson. Billy Taylor was a quiet, nice guy who had a some decently talented teams but coached a nearly unwatchable style that drove people away. Billy Ball, everytime I think of it I am happier watching our current style. |
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Feb 25, 2022 12:03:13 GMT -6
I think Buck was a pretty good Coach!! He had a lot of obstacles to overcome. He has done well at IU and is now thought by many to be a top Assistant at UNLV He definitely had more intensity than Whitford. I saw a game where he was trying to get the ref to come over after a MAJORLY bad call, and he was shaking as he called him over. My God, I've never seen anyone so pissed. |
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Kent
Feb 25, 2022 13:18:43 GMT -6
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Post by universityjim on Feb 25, 2022 13:18:43 GMT -6
Buckley had some personality flaws that rubbed people the wrong way and ultimately contributed to his downfall. Both with fans and the people he answered to. He could be and on occasion was a total jack ass publicly. People don't take kindly to that and he lost their support.
He did have the benefit of the momentum from Ray, but he himself was a strong recruiter. He had alot of maturing to do as a coach however.
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Feb 25, 2022 14:05:36 GMT -6
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Post by bsu1 on Feb 25, 2022 14:05:36 GMT -6
Hunsaker was a great coach and one of the best at in-game strategy, but he had no personality or appeal, but man could he coach. If I remember correctly he was fired after an NCAA investigation into giving a coat to Kenny Pratt who had no means of buying one.
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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 25, 2022 14:09:34 GMT -6
I think Buck was a pretty good Coach!! He had a lot of obstacles to overcome. He has done well at IU and is now thought by many to be a top Assistant at UNLV He definitely had more intensity than Whitford. I saw a game where he was trying to get the ref to come over after a MAJORLY bad call, and he was shaking as he called him over. My God, I've never seen anyone so pissed. I think Hunsaker takes the cake for the best "mad energy" I've ever seen. There were a few times where he'd have corkscrewed himself into the floor if he could. I will also never forget the one and only time Billy got T'd up.
To clarify my comment on Buckley "selling the program," what I meant was thinking he had a few high-profile things going after Maui, but I could be mis-remembering that. He also had more nights recognizing old teams, throwbacks, etc. than I remembered BSU ever doing before. It could also be that I am comparing him to his "successor," who scrapped all of that and may have even removed some photos and allegedly called our old-time players "losers" and generally did everything he could to flip a finger at our fanbase, city and longtime traditional rivals. Giving any more time to that disaster would've set the program back a generation.
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Post by universityjim on Feb 25, 2022 17:24:41 GMT -6
He definitely had more intensity than Whitford. I saw a game where he was trying to get the ref to come over after a MAJORLY bad call, and he was shaking as he called him over. My God, I've never seen anyone so pissed. I think Hunsaker takes the cake for the best "mad energy" I've ever seen. There were a few times where he'd have corkscrewed himself into the floor if he could. I will also never forget the one and only time Billy got T'd up.
To clarify my comment on Buckley "selling the program," what I meant was thinking he had a few high-profile things going after Maui, but I could be mis-remembering that. He also had more nights recognizing old teams, throwbacks, etc. than I remembered BSU ever doing before. It could also be that I am comparing him to his "successor," who scrapped all of that and may have even removed some photos and allegedly called our old-time players "losers" and generally did everything he could to flip a finger at our fanbase, city and longtime traditional rivals. Giving any more time to that disaster would've set the program back a generation.
I honestly believe the one year of Buckley's successor did more to damage BSU basketball than all others combined. Taylor and Whitford's efforts haven't been good enough to fully recover. That's their own fault however. |
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 25, 2022 17:36:25 GMT -6
Ronnie was maybe the worst coaching decision in history, at least for schools this size.
More harm in one year than imaginable...
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Post by cardfan on Feb 25, 2022 18:17:07 GMT -6
Ronnie was maybe the worst coaching decision in history, at least for schools this size. More harm in one year than imaginable... And all that was needed to not make that decision was a few vetting phone calls. But, I’m not sure being told “don’t do it” would have mattered to the Gora/Budd faction. |
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