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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 25, 2022 18:39:42 GMT -6
Ronnie was maybe the worst coaching decision in history, at least for schools this size. More harm in one year than imaginable... My knowledge is far from encyclopedic, but I certainly can't name one worse. If he had any good qualities as a coach at all, they were very well hidden. |
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Kent
Feb 25, 2022 18:47:31 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 25, 2022 18:47:31 GMT -6
Ronnie was maybe the worst coaching decision in history, at least for schools this size. More harm in one year than imaginable... My knowledge is far from encyclopedic, but I certainly can't name one worse. If he had any good qualities as a coach at all, they were very well hidden. Looked really cool on the slick Program distributed that year. Ronnie had already offended enough people by the time they were printed I still have 40 or 50 in a box somewhere that I couldn't give away... |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 25, 2022 19:24:46 GMT -6
Got any other old Ball State Memoribillia that needs a new home? You know I collect that stuff.. Ive got an autographed Ronnie ball I can trade
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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 25, 2022 19:30:04 GMT -6
I met Ronny T with his team at a fairly-straightforward PR function in early December that season. I've always told people he was cordial to me as might be expected on a community goodwill visit. Once news of his "ways" got around, I felt special that he didn't spit in my face and cuss me.
When Billy Taylor was on his way out, my fear was that Joann might actually tap Roy to replace him on an interim basis, and it was a realistic fear because he'd actually played some college ball and had become known for riding Taylor from the stands just as he had Buckley in his final year. That would've finished the program off, as we'd have never hired ANY self-respecting coach under that admin. again, and finished me and a lot of others as a fan for good. What an ass.
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 25, 2022 19:57:56 GMT -6
Hunsaker was a great coach and one of the best at in-game strategy, but he had no personality or appeal, but man could he coach. If I remember correctly he was fired after an NCAA investigation into giving a coat to Kenny Pratt who had no means of buying one. Agree that he was a great coach. Disagree he had no personality. He had energy, he got excited, he would go to the fans after a win a lead them in the excitement of a win. He loved Ball State. I honestly that he would be coaching here today had his world not turned upside down. It’s my understanding that alumni getting involved in providing jobs was a major part of the issue. Sad day when he was let go! |
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Post by prestonp on Feb 26, 2022 0:12:50 GMT -6
Let's face it, Joann and Roy did a lot to mess up BSU Men's basketball.
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Kent
Feb 26, 2022 7:04:42 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on Feb 26, 2022 7:04:42 GMT -6
Let's face it, Joann and Roy did a lot to mess up BSU Men's basketball. Yep. |
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Kent
Feb 26, 2022 8:45:34 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 26, 2022 8:45:34 GMT -6
Remarkable harmony and agreement on that!
This is BSU basketball. We can all agree on the very low points and the very high points, just have trouble with the middle ground where we actually live.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 26, 2022 9:12:43 GMT -6
You see a 22 year championship drought and 2 MAC tourney wins in 9 years as "middle ground".
That's exactly what makes you the butt of jokes around here.
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Kent
Feb 26, 2022 9:55:09 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 26, 2022 9:55:09 GMT -6
You see a 22 year championship drought and 2 MAC tourney wins in 9 years as "middle ground". Your post makes my point.
A championship is a damned good year for us. Winning a middling conference is for us very good. We all agree we are short of those years. We all lament that and want more.
The Ronnie Thompson decade (or year, I guess) and its aftermath a tragedy. Whitford had a truly horrible start. These were not typical years either.
I am not lumping every year and every game in the 22 you mention together.
We can all agree we want to be a good mid major and currently are not. There are 300+ CBB programs, we are disappointed to be usually in the middle of the pack for most of the 22 years you lament, and yes in a stretch of "glory years" we were more often in the top 100.
But those years are not exactly "middle ground" either. We have THREE NCAA wins in our entire history. In a given year a very good MAC team will occasionally win a game or two. We did that. ONCE. From the POV of college basketball, our whole history is in the middle of the pack.
Life is tough here in the middle.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 26, 2022 10:15:31 GMT -6
Lame attempt to try to create a strawman of unreasonable fans demanding to win in the NCAA tourney, whereas you know the truth is that we would all be ecstatic with a MAC championship and a quick exit to a higher seed. Through 5 consecutive BSU coaches, this level was reached or bettered at least occasionally.
A team competitive in their conference will win at least one championship in 22 years just by cumulative, random chance. BSU has not even made the finals in that stretch. The current coach has proven conclusively and long-term that he has no idea how to do this. This is not the middle, this is the afterthought, ass-end of the MAC.
Your role is to be the clown of failure, parroting the coaches' lame excuses year after year. You keep on doing it.
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Kent
Feb 26, 2022 10:29:16 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 26, 2022 10:29:16 GMT -6
A team competitive in their conference will win at least one championship in 22 years just by cumulative, random chance. BSU has not even made the finals in that stretch. Which as I said above is a disappointment to us all.
It does not however negate that we handle winning well, agree that dismal seasons suck, and don't handle ending up in the middle very well.
My gripe with your post was that you lump 22 years together as terrible, when all of them were not, not at all.
And that you seem to think a very good run should be treated as the "norm" and "middling."
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Kent
Feb 26, 2022 10:51:29 GMT -6
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Feb 26, 2022 10:51:29 GMT -6
A team competitive in their conference will win at least one championship in 22 years just by cumulative, random chance. BSU has not even made the finals in that stretch. Which as I said above is a disappointment to us all.
It does not however negate that we handle winning well, agree that dismal seasons suck, and don't handle ending up in the middle very well.
My gripe with your post was that you lump 22 years together as terrible, when all of them were not, not at all.
And that you seem to think a very good run should be treated as the "norm" and "middling."
Middling would be winning the conference championship at least once every 10 years or so. We aren’t even close to middling. |
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Feb 26, 2022 11:04:36 GMT -6
Post by sweep on Feb 26, 2022 11:04:36 GMT -6
A team competitive in their conference will win at least one championship in 22 years just by cumulative, random chance. BSU has not even made the finals in that stretch.
And that you seem to think a very good run should be treated as the "norm" and "middling."
Which "good run" in the last 22 years are you referencing ? |
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Feb 26, 2022 11:31:57 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Feb 26, 2022 11:31:57 GMT -6
Which as I said above is a disappointment to us all.
It does not however negate that we handle winning well, agree that dismal seasons suck, and don't handle ending up in the middle very well. Middling would be winning the conference championship at least once every 10 years or so. We aren’t even close to middling. We have been terrible in at least 2 of the last 10 years, and failed to crack the top 4 teams. So nobody is happy overall.
I don't lump all the 10 years as terrible.
In the last 10 years Akron has won 5, Buffalo 4, and Toledo 1 regular season MAC championship. 2 schools surely have been excellent.
But, only 3 teams meet your definition of "middling."
The MAC tourney has resulted in Ohio, Kent and Western winning that tournament championship. So less than half of the conference is "middling?"
I don't buy that. The 22 years we mourn are painful and nobody should just accept it and not want to do better. But neither should they denigrate every player or team or coach every year.
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