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Post by bsutrack on Mar 24, 2022 5:43:19 GMT -6
Brannen was hard on players but there were also “cultural issues.” (Code for todays players not liking rules that stifle their culture and individualism, meaning code for a certain segment of the team) What worked at NKU with MAC level players did not work with “big time” level players. I don’t know if he’d be right at bsu or not. If he can’t relate to players they’ll just leave. He might also have trouble recruiting. Recruiters at other schools could use that against him to persuade a kid not to come play for him. Sort of damned if you do (force M. Thomas to play defense), damned if you don't (player leaves because he has to work too hard). |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 5:43:46 GMT -6
I think the AD there also had a bit of an axe to grind. I don't know, right now the optics of hiring Brannen after what happened at Cincy, all true or not, wouldn't be great. THAT would be the story if he gets hired, not his abilities as a coach or his success at NKU. We just don't need that.
Jake Query was talking this morning about the situation at IU. He'd been hearing all along that Fife, when The AD hired him, Woodson did not, was given hints that he'd take over for Woodson in a few years. Once Woodson got wind of that he quit trusting Fife and Fife was basically "cut off." That allegedly is the core issue. (Woodson insecure, basically, and only listens to those NBA consultants and not his staff) Also, it appears Fife advocated for some of the younger guys when Woodson stubbornly insisted on playing Kopp and Stewart, who were mostly ineffective. So there was a split there. Lastly, Query said he thinks Fife would really like to get the BSU job...... (I am not advocating for Fife at this point)
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Mar 24, 2022 6:12:34 GMT -6
Didn’t we lose to him at IPFW?
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Post by Lurkin McGurkin on Mar 24, 2022 6:19:18 GMT -6
Didn’t we lose to him at IPFW? We've lost to a lot of people. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 6:23:10 GMT -6
Didn’t we lose to him at IPFW? Not sure about that. |
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Post by villagepub on Mar 24, 2022 6:41:01 GMT -6
Brannen’s record is encouraging - the Cincinnati issues are worth exploring further before moving forward, though. Hopefully there are no pending NCAA risks in hiring him. I'm pretty certain the issue of Brannen at UC was not NCAA related; rather it involved players disapproving of his demands, so to speak (i.e. he was too hard on them); some whined and complained to the University, filed complaints, then entered the transfer portal. I hate that. How dare a coach try to raise the bar at a school by demanding more hard work! |
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Post by steve on Mar 24, 2022 6:46:09 GMT -6
I think it was mentioned on the board, but Mearns was president at Northern Kentucky University when Brannen coached there. Brannen is a disciplinarian, but he is a winner, his teams have finished in first place, 3 out of the 5 years he has coached.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 6:49:28 GMT -6
I think it was mentioned on the board, but Mearns was president at Northern Kentucky University when Brannen coached there. Brannen is a disciplinarian, but he is a winner, his teams have finished in first place, 3 out of the 5 years he has coached. He got two teams to the NCAA tourney, which is great. But, we still need to consider the blowback that might occur if we hire him. The media will absolutely dredge up all the reports from when he was fired at Cincy. Do we want that heat? Will our players see that and bail? |
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Post by steve on Mar 24, 2022 6:54:12 GMT -6
I think it was mentioned on the board, but Mearns was president at Northern Kentucky University when Brannen coached there. Brannen is a disciplinarian, but he is a winner, his teams have finished in first place, 3 out of the 5 years he has coached. He got two teams to the NCAA tourney, which is great. But, we still need to consider the blowback that might occur if we hire him. The media will absolutely dredge up all the reports from when he was fired at Cincy. Do we want that heat? Will our players see that and bail? What media follows Ball State? lol |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 6:57:31 GMT -6
He got two teams to the NCAA tourney, which is great. But, we still need to consider the blowback that might occur if we hire him. The media will absolutely dredge up all the reports from when he was fired at Cincy. Do we want that heat? Will our players see that and bail? What media follows Ball State? lol Trust me, it'll happen. Anytime a new coach is hired anywhere, the background is reported on. |
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Post by steve on Mar 24, 2022 7:17:10 GMT -6
Just think , we all could wear our “let’s go Brannen“ shirts at worthen ..
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Post by sweep on Mar 24, 2022 7:45:31 GMT -6
For God Sakes you don't want to hire John Brannen. What is wrong with you guys ? Why take on that baggage if you don't have to ?
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Post by reevo on Mar 24, 2022 8:02:22 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc.
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 8:03:23 GMT -6
For God Sakes you don't want to hire John Brannen. What is wrong with you guys ? Why take on that baggage if you don't have to ? I'm in that boat. I just find the whole mess at UC, whether it was all him or not, to be problematic. At a big time program, maybe it would just be a blip if he got hired. At BSU it could cause a real stink, right or wrong. But I get what Reevo is saying too. And knowing Mearns and Beth, I agree, they would not touch the guy if there was even a hint of real scandal in how he treated players. The thing is, perception is reality whether we like it or not. (personally I have zero issue with Branner paying for a kid's visit to a mental health professional outside of the UC channels. There are WAY worse things he could have been helping a kid with) |
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Post by UHaveCardinalNv on Mar 24, 2022 8:06:38 GMT -6
Does McCurdy still work at Ball State? Could he be a good recruiting assistant for Lewis here?
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