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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 8:08:51 GMT -6
Does McCurdy still work at Ball State? Could he be a good recruiting assistant for Lewis here? He does, but he's had zero coaching experience. He's tried to get on BSU staff's before and got nowhere. (can we take a chance on Paris giving a kid a university phone card...... ;-) ) |
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Post by bsufan101 on Mar 24, 2022 8:09:22 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc. Bingo! Since hearing his name I’ve talked myself into it. His record alone is very good. Mearns wouldn’t look at him if he had issues at NKU. |
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Post by reevo on Mar 24, 2022 8:13:25 GMT -6
For God Sakes you don't want to hire John Brannen. What is wrong with you guys ? Why take on that baggage if you don't have to ? I'm in that boat. I just find the whole mess at UC, whether it was all him or not, to be problematic. At a big time program, maybe it would just be a blip if he got hired. At BSU it could cause a real stink, right or wrong. But I get what Reevo is saying too. And knowing Mearns and Beth, I agree, they would not touch the guy if there was even a hint of real scandal in how he treated players. The thing is, perception is reality whether we like it or not. (personally I have zero issue with Branner paying for a kid's visit to a mental health professional outside of the UC channels. There are WAY worse things he could have been helping a kid with) I hear you and it is nice having a civil discussion. I look at it this way, the guy we hired from Milwaukee was a risk and he set off the greatest 12 year run in our history. I am talking about Majerus. What else do we have to lose? Seriously, the program has already hit rock bottom in my opinion. I guess the overriding theme to me is that he is a proven winner. |
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Post by coastalcard on Mar 24, 2022 8:16:52 GMT -6
A career-oriented AD is not going to jump into anything CLOSE to a short term risky situation
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Post by UHaveCardinalNv on Mar 24, 2022 8:23:37 GMT -6
A career-oriented AD is not going to jump into anything CLOSE to a short term risky situation That might also eliminate Fife. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 8:25:15 GMT -6
A career-oriented AD is not going to jump into anything CLOSE to a short term risky situation Very wise. |
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Post by sweep on Mar 24, 2022 8:28:41 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc. Okay but you are sort of assuming Fife and Lewis are the top candidates. I am not assuming that at all, in fact I doubt the media has any idea what is going on with this job search. At best they are just guessing. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 8:33:01 GMT -6
Dakich (yeah, I know) says that BSU has been overthinking this for years (true) and we just need to hire Lewis or Fife and get things turned around. We'll see.
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Post by sweep on Mar 24, 2022 8:38:16 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc. Bingo! Since hearing his name I’ve talked myself into it. His record alone is very good. Mearns wouldn’t look at him if he had issues at NKU. Good and maybe we can hire Jim Crews as an assistant. You guys are out of your minds. " Mearns wouldn’t look at him if he had issues at NKU."........So Mearns should just disregard what happened at UC ? |
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Post by sweep on Mar 24, 2022 8:39:56 GMT -6
I'm in that boat. I just find the whole mess at UC, whether it was all him or not, to be problematic. At a big time program, maybe it would just be a blip if he got hired. At BSU it could cause a real stink, right or wrong. But I get what Reevo is saying too. And knowing Mearns and Beth, I agree, they would not touch the guy if there was even a hint of real scandal in how he treated players. The thing is, perception is reality whether we like it or not. (personally I have zero issue with Branner paying for a kid's visit to a mental health professional outside of the UC channels. There are WAY worse things he could have been helping a kid with) I hear you and it is nice having a civil discussion. I look at it this way, the guy we hired from Milwaukee was a risk and he set off the greatest 12 year run in our history. I am talking about Majerus. What else do we have to lose? Seriously, the program has already hit rock bottom in my opinion. I guess the overriding theme to me is that he is a proven winner. Yeah but Majerus wasn't accused of mistreating people ? This is a different situation. |
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Post by hooball on Mar 24, 2022 8:43:52 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc. The word on the street is he did that stuff at NKU to he just didn’t get caught or they didn’t care. |
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Post by cardfan on Mar 24, 2022 8:50:36 GMT -6
It honestly sounds to me that Brannen was a scapegoat. I also find it interesting that he never had these issues at NKU. If he did, there would be no way in Hell that Mearns would touch him with a 10 foot pole. I love the discipline aspect. Hell, the dude got in trouble for a free throw drill every high school coach in this state still uses. What I see is a guy that has won and has been successful at a place that just started playing division one basketball in the last 12 years. He is a proven winner. Everyone deserves a second shot. If he did what has been reported, I don’t think anyone with any intelligence is going back to that rabbit hole. Of all of the guys that have been mentioned, Brannen is the only ones that has won big. Fife is below 500, Lewis has never been a head coach, etc. The word on the street is he did that stuff at NKU to he just didn’t get caught or they didn’t care. ONE former player at NKU talked about how hard conditioning was and all that, but, he also didn't have a problem with it. Hate to say it, but, part of it is backgrounds and how players were treated on the way up. As in, were they pampered? Were coaches afraid of them? He won big enough at NKU to "get away with it" if he was in fact treating players like shit. At UC, once his entire freshmen class said "screw this" it was over. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2022 8:53:12 GMT -6
I think it was mentioned on the board, but Mearns was president at Northern Kentucky University when Brannen coached there. Brannen is a disciplinarian, but he is a winner, his teams have finished in first place, 3 out of the 5 years he has coached. He got two teams to the NCAA tourney, which is great. But, we still need to consider the blowback that might occur if we hire him. The media will absolutely dredge up all the reports from when he was fired at Cincy. Do we want that heat? Will our players see that and bail? More concerned about recruits. Parents MIGHT want disciplinarian, but it's an issue that would be hanging over a recruitment instead of selling the Program on positives. |
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Post by reevo on Mar 24, 2022 8:57:00 GMT -6
I hear you and it is nice having a civil discussion. I look at it this way, the guy we hired from Milwaukee was a risk and he set off the greatest 12 year run in our history. I am talking about Majerus. What else do we have to lose? Seriously, the program has already hit rock bottom in my opinion. I guess the overriding theme to me is that he is a proven winner. Yeah but Majerus wasn't accused of mistreating people ? This is a different situation. I realize that things are different today. No question about it. Maybe I have an inherent bias for guys that win. It is a risk regardless of the path we choose. |
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Post by 00hmh on Mar 24, 2022 8:57:47 GMT -6
Does McCurdy still work at Ball State? Could he be a good recruiting assistant for Lewis here? He does, but he's had zero coaching experience. He's tried to get on BSU staff's before and got nowhere. (can we take a chance on Paris giving a kid a university phone card...... ;-) ) You have to question whether coaching is a long term goal for him. If not it's a pay cut and huge change in lifestyle. He seems very satisfied with what he is doing and genuinely enjoys it. |
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