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Post by prestonp on Apr 2, 2022 21:30:54 GMT -6
I hope Windham gets it together. Brown? Don't think he showed that much IMO.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 2, 2022 21:38:27 GMT -6
I do think Cochran actually I know Cochran had a problem with the handling of Brown. He was not the only one who did not appreciate the fact that Brown was handed minutes from day one. It might have been different had brown been around and beat someone out to earn those minutes. The way Whit handled Brown showed exactly how desperate Whit was. Nobody was hoping Brown would be the next Larry Bird more than Whit. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 2, 2022 21:38:35 GMT -6
I hope Windham gets it together. Brown? Don't think he showed that much IMO. I still think Lewis can find a role for Brown. It might not ever be a starting roll but if used right coming off some screens or something he can hit some shots |
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 2, 2022 21:41:19 GMT -6
We are short handed at forward. Lewis can set up a 3 guard look. We have minutes for 2 big guards in that setup, have only Windham, maybe Cochran. Even if Jihad is improved we need a big forward and a wing forward. Thomas played a lot of minutes. Cochran can play F/G, maybe good to retain him. A forward who can shoot outside would head up my needs list. The use of a 3 guard line-up is dependent on your opponent's size. Playing it against some teams will just get you killed on the boards. So how much you can get away with it depends on your schedule. Jihad had a pretty good stroke from behind the 3 point line. He'll probably have to pick-up Thomas' role in that regard. Later in the season they mainly used him as a replacement for Sparks banging on the boards. His slender frame might not be suited for that. Maybe that will change with some more time in the weight room. What they really need is someone with some size and strength to fight for rebounds and protect the rim. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 2, 2022 21:43:49 GMT -6
Windham is interesting cause we will never know what he did to earn a spot in whits doghouse. He had the one crazy game but we don't know much else about him. Good thing is everyone who stays is going to have a clean slate
Lewis so far seems like the kinda coach who is going to play his best options as long as they play the way he wants them too
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 2, 2022 21:47:01 GMT -6
For me our main priority needs to be a big aggressive big. A real banger I don't think he even needs to be a big scorer. Some one who can get the garbage points but more importantly rebound protect rim maybe even intimidate
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2022 22:16:50 GMT -6
Windham is interesting cause we will never know what he did to earn a spot in whits doghouse. He had the one crazy game but we don't know much else about him. Good thing is everyone who stays is going to have a clean slate Lewis so far seems like the kinda coach who is going to play his best options as long as they play the way he wants them too That playing the way the coach wanted him to seemed to be the problem. Since he showed he could be a streaky shooter, and we really needed shooting, and since he did have that one game later in the season, but then disappeared it raises big question marks.
Looked almost like he refused to play D, was never very interested in anything but looking for a shot. Even after that one game Whit's comment was he knew what he needed to do to play. So he wasn't doing something... |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 2, 2022 22:28:21 GMT -6
For me our main priority needs to be a big aggressive big. A real banger I don't think he even needs to be a big scorer. Some one who can get the garbage points but more importantly rebound protect rim maybe even intimidate I am looking for more than that in the portal, at least one starter. A forward. I agree more size is definitely high on the list. At least able to play backup at center. Depth up front always a good idea.
Getting a decent small forward in the portal seems more likely than getting a big guy who can play a lot of minutes. And we really need outside shooting to capitalize on Sparks inside, and keep him from being doubled. |
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Post by zonebuster on Apr 3, 2022 6:34:06 GMT -6
My challenge with Cochran is he plays selfishly on offense. So many times he’d look off an open teammate to drive into traffic & throw up a prayer. That kind of player can be a cancer. About half way through the season there was a players only meeting where they got on each other. The very next game Cochran rarely shot the ball & was always looking to pass. I can only guess his selfish play up to that point was an issue. The new, unselfish Cochran only lasted a game or two.
I agree he does do some positive things & can be a stat stuffer! If Lewis can get him to change the way he plays on offense, he’d be a positive. Just not sure he can change.
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 3, 2022 7:28:51 GMT -6
My challenge with Cochran is he plays selfishly on offense. So many times he’d look off an open teammate to drive into traffic & throw up a prayer. That kind of player can be a cancer. About half way through the season there was a players only meeting where they got on each other. The very next game Cochran rarely shot the ball & was always looking to pass. I can only guess his selfish play up to that point was an issue. The new, unselfish Cochran only lasted a game or two. I agree he does do some positive things & can be a stat stuffer! If Lewis can get him to change the way he plays on offense, he’d be a positive. Just not sure he can change. I think we can all agree that Cochran as high volume offensive super hero is not needed by BSU, or any other team hoping to win. That whole player meeting sequence could suggest that Cochran CAN play in a more restrained role, but in the environment of low-octane, weak coaching, he was never consistently made to. We HOPE that we're in a much different situation now. |
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Post by lmills72 on Apr 3, 2022 7:37:43 GMT -6
I think it's interesting that Cochran has the most to lose (he'd have to sit a year), but he's still the only one in the portal. Seems to me he might be more committed to leaving and/or getting less love from Lewis to return.
I am amazed that you guys know how Lewis wants to play to the point where you know what type of recruits he needs to fill out the roster. I've only heard him say he wants his team to tough, hard-nosed and aggressive (or at least not soft). I haven't heard him say anything about his evaluation of the current roster and it's shortcomings, so I couldn't tell you whether we need more shooting or rebounding or better ball handling. Personally, I think there's a lot of stuff last year's team did poorly that you can fix without a personnel overhaul; just better coaching.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 3, 2022 7:55:30 GMT -6
I hope Windham gets it together. Brown? Don't think he showed that much IMO. I still think Lewis can find a role for Brown. It might not ever be a starting roll but if used right coming off some screens or something he can hit some shots It would be nice to see more screening away from the ball. If he can show the shooting range he did in HS he should be able to play a role.
Bumbalough could benefit by some catch and shoot opportunities, too, but he had the ball in his hands all the time in HS and I don't see a better primary ball handler. I had hoped he might get more shots on the break but we didn't really get much there and some of that was the opponents were busy attacking him and he had to block out, not look to run. We never figured out how to help him.
Whatever the cause he just lost his shooting touch at the end of the season, wasn't hitting even good shots. It's possible he could be more effective if he isn't required to be a scorer, that was Mike Lewis at IU.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 3, 2022 8:11:33 GMT -6
I am amazed that you guys know how Lewis wants to play to the point where you know what type of recruits he needs to fill out the roster. I've only heard him say he wants his team to tough, hard-nosed and aggressive (or at least not soft). He has mentioned good shooting. That is obvious enough. Emphasis on defense and a different defensive philosophy could help, but we have two smaller guards who are not going to be easy to fit into a defense however they design it.
You watch the teams in the NCAA and you just don't see many teams with small guards who are not good quick defenders.
And although those guards have some shooting skill, most small guards can also beat people in the lane, too.
Every one of these NCAA teams has forwards who can shoot. NC didn't break the game against Duke until their bearded big man started hitting rainbow 3's.
Sure maybe Windham could break out, and Cochran for his flaws has some physical talents to work with.
But. Losing Thomas takes away a bigger guy who can shoot over a defense( albeit with mixed results) and when he was on it made a difference. Pearson and Jihad haven't shown that. I hope you are right that they can improve and coaching can make a difference, but more physical inside play is always a plus which neither have shown, and more shooting seem to be obvious needs.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 3, 2022 8:54:27 GMT -6
We cannot win to the level we want to with small guards who aren’t quick. It would appear we need a quicker guard who can shoot but also penetrate and create. And we gotta be able to guard all those guards in the MAC who absolutely torch us. That’s got to change. Can Jacobs fill that role?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 3, 2022 9:15:08 GMT -6
We cannot win to the level we want to with small guards who aren’t quick. It would appear we need a quicker guard who can shoot but also penetrate and create. And we gotta be able to guard all those guards in the MAC who absolutely torch us. That’s got to change. Can Jacobs fill that role? Good thinking. If we are going to have small guards at all. If we can't get skilled bigger players and have to play 3G we are strapped unless we have at least 2 bigger guards.
The offensive end maybe we can work around that a little, Alford you remember just didn't handle the ball that much and he benefited from all the screening away. IU in that era rarely had really quick guards who drove the lane (except Zeke). Lewis at IU had scored that way a ton in HS and in college just didn't... And rarely was there a guard who was a P&R player off a ball screen. Lewis has "evolved" as the game now rewards that play and is so dependent on it.
At the other end, there is no doubt you have to defend the P&R and having a smaller weak defender in the game makes that very hard. Can't switch, can't get through the screen or around it. Somebody breaks open. Jacobs is closest to that needed role. Which is why he started. Cochran may have enough quickness.
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