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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 3, 2022 20:20:21 GMT -6
We might find Lewis to be a tremendous coach but let’s be honest, the cup board is not exactly full. Some of the guys on the current roster have to go. It sounds cold and heartless but it is absolutely true. Lewis is going to want to start with the absolute best roster and guys that are going to be able to fit into his system. He talks about be able to defend and being tough, this pretty much eliminates about 70% of the roster right from the start. I would retain maybe 5 to 6 guys and fill the rest through the portal and freshman recruits. He has to find another big who will rebound and defend and prefer this person to have length and bounce. Also, a skilled wing who is athletic who can shoot and more importantly, score in a variety of ways. All incoming guards will be tough, athletic and can distribute and score and play down hill. No, the cup board is not exactly full, but it's not exactly empty either. It's certainly not the overflowing treasure chest that Ray left Buckly, but you could make the case that Whitford left behind more than he inherited. Yes, there is some refuse on the roster, and there are certainly some holes, but there it also a pretty respectable base to build on, and the modern transfer situation makes filling holes far easier than before. I have never taken a back seat to anyone in criticizing Whitford, but the situation is not bad, relative to what a lot of new coaches have to deal with. Let's hope the following comment never has any relevance, but I can tell you right now that I will NOT look leniently on two seasons of losing with the excuse that "Oh, I had an empty cup board and had to rebuild the roster." |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 3, 2022 20:59:25 GMT -6
Exactly next year's team should be no worse than this years
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 3, 2022 21:00:07 GMT -6
Exactly next year's team should be no worse than this years Unless Sparks season was a freakish flash in the pan |
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Post by reevo on Apr 3, 2022 21:06:23 GMT -6
We might find Lewis to be a tremendous coach but let’s be honest, the cup board is not exactly full. Some of the guys on the current roster have to go. It sounds cold and heartless but it is absolutely true. Lewis is going to want to start with the absolute best roster and guys that are going to be able to fit into his system. He talks about be able to defend and being tough, this pretty much eliminates about 70% of the roster right from the start. I would retain maybe 5 to 6 guys and fill the rest through the portal and freshman recruits. He has to find another big who will rebound and defend and prefer this person to have length and bounce. Also, a skilled wing who is athletic who can shoot and more importantly, score in a variety of ways. All incoming guards will be tough, athletic and can distribute and score and play down hill. No, the cup board is not exactly full, but it's not exactly empty either. It's certainly not the overflowing treasure chest that Ray left Buckly, but you could make the case that Whitford left behind more than he inherited. Yes, there is some refuse on the roster, and there are certainly some holes, but there it also a pretty respectable base to build on, and the modern transfer situation makes filling holes far easier than before. I have never taken a back seat to anyone in criticizing Whitford, but the situation is not bad, relative to what a lot of new coaches have to deal with. Let's hope the following comment never has any relevance, but I can tell you right now that I will NOT look leniently on two seasons of losing with the excuse that "Oh, I had an empty cup board and had to rebuild the roster." I don’t disagree that there are some things to work with. But…..this roster is not exactly worthy of being mentioned with the upper MAC programs. Still needs some serious churn!!! I do agree that 2-3 years is plenty to turn this thing completely around. We need to find a lead guard and another scorer and rebounder to compliment Sparks. Those elements are not on this roster as it stands today. |
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Post by prestonp on Apr 3, 2022 21:07:11 GMT -6
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Post by bsutrack on Apr 3, 2022 22:30:45 GMT -6
I don’t disagree that there are some things to work with. But…..this roster is not exactly worthy of being mentioned with the upper MAC programs. Still needs some serious churn!!! I do agree that 2-3 years is plenty to turn this thing completely around. We need to find a lead guard and another scorer and rebounder to compliment Sparks. Those elements are not on this roster as it stands today. The upper MAC programs might not be so grand next season between graduations and transfers. For example: Akron: Ali Ali, F (team's leading scorer) in transfer portal Bryan Trimble (team's 4th leading scorer) transferring to Missouri State Bowling Green: Daeqwon Plowden F (team's leading scorer) graduated Myron Gordon, G (team's 2nd leading scorer) dismissed from team mid-season Joe Reece, F (team's 3rd leading scorer) dismissed from team mid-season Trey Diggs, G (team's 4th leading scorer) graduated Buffalo: Jeenathan Williams, F (team's leading scorer) turning professional Ronaldo Segu, G (team's 2nd leading scorer) turning professional David Skogman, C (teams 5th leading scorer) in transfer portal Ohio: Mark Sears, G (team's leading scorer) in transfer portal Ben Vander Plas, F (team's 2nd leading scorer) in transfer portal Jason Carter, F (team's 3rd leading scorer) graduated Miami (Ohio) Dae Dae Grant, G (team's leading scorer) in transfer portal Dalonte Brown, F (team's 3rd leading scorer) graduated Precious Ayah, C (team's 4th leading scorer) graduated Toledo and Kent State both seem to be retaining most of their roster. The directional schools (Northern Illinois, Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan, and Western Michigan) really don't have much to lose. So next year could be Toledo, Kent State and then a whole lot of ugliness. |
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 4, 2022 5:22:37 GMT -6
Three good players to begin building a program around, just hope we see,three more years of this trio! |
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Post by williamtsherman on Apr 4, 2022 6:23:30 GMT -6
There are two basic coaching change scenarios 1) the previous coach moved on to a bigger program. 2) the previous coach was fired for losing. In case 1 you MIGHT see a fairly complete and talent filled roster passed on (e.g. Majerus to Hunsaker and Ray to Buckley). In case 2 you will almost never see that. I would say Lewis finds himself in an above average situation compared to other case two successor coaches. Having the conference FOY who, oh by the way, is probably the hardest sort of player for a mid-major to find is a very unusual resource to get in this situation.
Again, I hope this is an entirely moot point, but I hope we have learned that excessive patience gets you years and years of wasted program time.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 4, 2022 10:37:59 GMT -6
There are two basic coaching change scenarios 1) the previous coach moved on to a bigger program. 2) the previous coach was fired for losing. In case 1 you MIGHT see a fairly complete and talent filled roster passed on (e.g. Majerus to Hunsaker and Ray to Buckley). In case 2 you will almost never see that. I would say Lewis finds himself in an above average situation compared to other case two successor coaches. Having the conference FOY who, oh by the way, is probably the hardest sort of player for a mid-major to find is a very unusual resource to get in this situation. Agree on the above. So far, very good!
A little patience is in order though. Don't expect completely smooth sailing. Always some bumps in the road for a new HC.
This is probably the best possible start we could hope for with a HC. Let's see if we get a good staff, and if he can get another player or three in the late recruiting. It will then be close to full "kid mode" in terms of optimism for next season. Even with just decent luck recruiting or by rehabilitating returning players we should improve over last year and there is every reason to give this guy full support. |
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 4, 2022 11:00:42 GMT -6
Assistant pool of 340,000 he can work with that 150,000 90,000 90,000 can get 3 good assistant coaches
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Post by reds37 on Apr 4, 2022 11:30:11 GMT -6
Assistant pool of 340,000 he can work with that 150,000 90,000 90,000 can get 3 good assistant coaches To me, this doesn't seem like that much but admittedly, i don't know what all of the previous staff was making or what other MAC schools are paying assistants. Does anyone know what our staff from this season was making? |
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Post by cardtalk on Apr 4, 2022 12:30:50 GMT -6
Assistant pool of 340,000 he can work with that 150,000 90,000 90,000 can get 3 good assistant coaches To me, this doesn't seem like that much but admittedly, i don't know what all of the previous staff was making or what other MAC schools are paying assistants. Does anyone know what our staff from this season was making? A Nickle-95 and all the free Rax they could eat. |
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Post by thebsukid on Apr 4, 2022 12:48:54 GMT -6
Need one stud Forward and this team can be pretty good even next year! 6’8 or so post up or shoot the 3 and a big time rebounder!!
We also need to develop an offensive scheme and an identity as a team and more toughness overall like Sparks!
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 4, 2022 12:49:20 GMT -6
Assistant pool of 340,000 he can work with that 150,000 90,000 90,000 can get 3 good assistant coaches To me, this doesn't seem like that much but admittedly, i don't know what all of the previous staff was making or what other MAC schools are paying assistants. Does anyone know what our staff from this season was making? I want to say whit was around 350-375 ish |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 4, 2022 12:57:09 GMT -6
Need one stud Forward and this team can be pretty good even next year! Let’s not get hasty, kid. I refuse to even consider his body of work until year 7. |
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