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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 27, 2022 21:10:10 GMT -6
Proctor is going to have to update us on what happened on the mafia page..There are deleted posts, arguments etc.. Rumors of luke being kicked of etc. I had to be at a track meet and missed it all Kicked off? Now that would be a juicy story but I can’t see it being true. I found out that is not true he can come back if he chooses do his scholarship is not available until he officially moves on if he does |
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Post by prestonp on Apr 27, 2022 21:38:10 GMT -6
Not as crazy as I thought it would be, but they deleted a couple of my posts.
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Post by coastalcard on Apr 28, 2022 4:54:50 GMT -6
Kicked off? Now that would be a juicy story but I can’t see it being true. I found out that is not true he can come back if he chooses do his scholarship is not available until he officially moves on if he does Something I learned today: So, you could theoretically have 6 players enter transfer portal and theoretically all 6 could eventually transfer and theoretically you can't bring even one transfer in until one of yours actually transfers? |
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Post by zonebuster on Apr 28, 2022 5:13:18 GMT -6
I would grade our backcourt in MAC play last season to be average to below average, especially when compared to the better backcourts. Sellers is the exception as I thought he deserved more minutes.
One starter has left (Cochran) so those minutes are now up for grab. If Luke cannot earn quality minutes competing with this group, where does he think he will find a better situation at the D-1 level? Jumping back in the portal doesn’t look good. Not sure who is advising him but may not be doing him any favors.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 5:41:26 GMT -6
Kicked off? Now that would be a juicy story but I can’t see it being true. I found out that is not true he can come back if he chooses do his scholarship is not available until he officially moves on if he does It is only a one year commitment. So at the official end of that scholarship term or with cause it can be terminated and is available. Coaches rarely do this in normal cases. Entering the portal is not cause to terminate, but it doesn't last forever either. |
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Post by sweep on Apr 28, 2022 6:44:07 GMT -6
Kicked off? Now that would be a juicy story but I can’t see it being true. I found out that is not true he can come back if he chooses do his scholarship is not available until he officially moves on if he does If this is true, then Brown is a bigger headcase than I thought he was. I had assumed he was nudged out the door. What exactly is he looking for in the portal ? |
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Post by calpoly on Apr 28, 2022 7:04:58 GMT -6
The way I understand it is that his scholarship isn't available until he officially moves on. However, is it correct that BSU isn't obligated to hold his scholarship?? If not, then why isn't it available (should BSU decide they don't want him back regardless)?
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 8:20:18 GMT -6
The way I understand it is that his scholarship isn't available until he officially moves on. However, is it correct that BSU isn't obligated to hold his scholarship?? If not, then why isn't it available (should BSU decide they don't want him back regardless)? Sounds like he and coach have agreed that he can search for a new school in the portal and coach has pledged to keep him on scholarship if that doesn't pan out. He very probably does not have an obligation to do that. My recollection is that when a scholarship is for one year, the coach has to notify the player it's going away by July 1. Whether the promise to keep it past a year is a binding promise depends on the institutional rules on scholarships and their term, and the process the university has set up to handle it, and how that original contract for scholarship was worded.
Straight contract law doesn't mean a promise is enforceable unless there is some commitment from the player in exchange, and of course what the institutional rules are with the NCAA. THAT is a contract too, between the NCAA and BSU which can give rights to the player as a third party beneficiary.
What is definitely true is that Luke is on scholarship until that original contract runs out. He does not lose anything by entering the portal until then and until BSU follows whatever the BSU/NCAA rule is about original term of the contract, notification of its extension, and so on.
If he makes a commitment elsewhere then obviously BSU can then move on. With the caveat that no doubt some bureaucratic paperwork required for the player to know he has a binding offer from the new school. This maze of regulation is intended to protect the player and create a process for everybody to follow. It is a mess...
I would take all this to mean Luke isn't happy (coach may not be completely happy either , but was not intending to use that scholarship anyway). It's pretty likely the same reason coaches rarely cut off scholarships without cause, and without agreement with the player, even though the written scholarship contract allows that. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 28, 2022 8:50:03 GMT -6
I found out that is not true he can come back if he chooses do his scholarship is not available until he officially moves on if he does If this is true, then Brown is bigger headcase than I thought he was. I had assumed he was nudged out the door. This whole portal thing creates options for the player and we have seen many athletes go shopping this way. New normal.
But this is nothing new in a lot of ways. A new coach (or old coach, I suppose) has in theory always had the right to completely clean house, but they very rarely just do that. VERY rare even with a completely new coach who wants to radically change things.
Hell, even when players are booted by an old coach from participation on the team for discipline or other cause they frequently keep the scholarship when it could be immediately yanked. Not like firing an employee and escorting him off the premises within 30 minutes!
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Post by sweep on Apr 28, 2022 9:01:53 GMT -6
If this is true, then Brown is bigger headcase than I thought he was. I had assumed he was nudged out the door. Not like firing an employee and escorting him off the premises within 30 minutes!
Unless you are KJ Walton who was told to hit the road on Cuonzo Martin's first day. |
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Post by bearkitten on Apr 28, 2022 10:01:56 GMT -6
From what I was told, Coach Lewis was very disappointed that Brown was entering the portal as Brown had performed exceptionally well at Lewis’ practices. My guess is Luke was not comfortable with Coach Lewis’ style of coaching, which is likely more of a Bob Knight style, and you have to respect that as Luke was not recruited by Lewis. I remember Larry Bird only played a couple weeks for Coach Knight at IU before he transferred to Indiana State where he had a pretty good career there. Bird had played at a small high school named Springs Valley in southern Indiana similar to the size of Blackford.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 28, 2022 10:18:19 GMT -6
From what I was told, Coach Lewis was very disappointed that Brown was entering the portal as Brown had performed exceptionally well at Lewis’ practices. My guess is Luke was not comfortable with Coach Lewis’ style of coaching, which is likely more of a Bob Knight style, and you have to respect that as Luke was not recruited by Lewis. I remember Larry Bird only played a couple weeks for Coach Knight at IU before he transferred to Indiana State where he had a pretty good career there. Bird had played at a small high school named Springs Valley in southern Indiana similar to the size of Blackford. This seems to be the story creeping out from many different people now. Lewis is in your face demands alot and will let you know his way. Some guys are not made for that |
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Post by bsucardinalfan on Apr 28, 2022 10:37:29 GMT -6
Kid has been coddled and fawned over and now that someone is challenging and pushing him he’s looking to run.
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Post by bearkitten on Apr 28, 2022 11:14:57 GMT -6
I remember when Rick Rowray came to BSU from IU because he got tired of Bob Knight constantly ripping into players. Lewis apparently comes from the same mold and even tears into team managers who are donating their time to the program. That’s in contrast to Power 5.schools like UCLA who pay their managers. Some players and team managers fit this environment and some don’t like Larry Bird and Rowray, who were both excellent collegiate players after they left IU for Indiana State and Ball State.
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Post by cardfan on Apr 28, 2022 11:18:44 GMT -6
I guess if the kid truly cannot handle hard coaching and "real talk" then we don't want him. Lewis has been selling toughness from day one and that includes mental/emotional toughness. Luke might be able to ball, we don't know for sure yet, but if he cannot handle in your face/tough/demanding/meanie pants talk then maybe he needs to land at a softer spot. More of a Whitford type coach who's content to let the players run the show and do whatever and has a mantra of "that's ok, it happens." He also has to accept .500ish seasons and no championships.
Lewis bit back at Bob Knight during a game--he's sure as hell not going to tolerate soft in his own program. He's looking for a certain type of player. If any of our guys ain't it, they can move on and that's fine. The guys who are serious about excellence and winning championships and maxing out their abilities, they'll stay and they'll adapt.
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