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Post by ballstfan on Aug 28, 2022 15:54:16 GMT -6
There is a booster that has big $ that could easily cover Neu’s buy out if it came to that. If I’m Neu I roll with Kelly and let him grow knowing this year will be rough.
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Post by sdacardinal on Aug 28, 2022 16:37:52 GMT -6
Writing Paddock off before he takes the first snap is silly. I didn't agree with the loyalty bull shit last year but Paddock deserves a legitimate shot. If it doesn't work out then try something Neu.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 28, 2022 18:30:07 GMT -6
Feels like a 6th losing season in 7 seasons Nice to have the built-in excuse button (above) already ready So the football roster really IS young compared to other schools. When Whitford used that excuse for his basketball team, he meant the roster was young relative to himself. |
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Post by coastalcard on Nov 16, 2022 8:07:22 GMT -6
Another season is almost in the books and we are right about where we expected to be and what our annual expectations actually SHOULD be.
Let's talk apples and apples and look at MAC performance only (same competitive level, recruiting in similar geographical circles)
Ball State's historical MAC football record (1975-present) is 195-177 (.524) and is 7th out of 12 MAC schools.
Mike Neu's MAC record is 20-33 (.377) or, if you toss out the first two years because he was left with "nothing", 19-18 (.514)
Therefore, Neu is performing very close to the historical Ball State average through five years that actually "count" by our coach-changing standards.
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Post by cardfan on Nov 16, 2022 8:37:17 GMT -6
Another season is almost in the books and we are right about where we expected to be and what our annual expectations actually SHOULD be. Let's talk apples and apples and look at MAC performance only (same competitive level, recruiting in similar geographical circles) Ball State's historical MAC football record (1975-present) is 195-177 (.524) and is 7th out of 12 MAC schools. Mike Neu's MAC record is 20-33 (.377) or, if you toss out the first two years because he was left with "nothing", 19-18 (.514) Therefore, Neu is performing very close to the historical Ball State average through five years that actually "count" by our coach-changing standards. Sigh. You're not wrong. Each coach we've had, minus Stan Parrish, has had one or two glory years with all other years being meh to meh-meh minus. Dave MClain was probably our most consistent winner and then left. Dwight Wallace had one big season and a bunch of meh before completely falling off. Schudel had a couple championships mixed around several 5-7 win years and then gave up on Andi Seeger and left. Bill Lynch had one good year and one decent year and then, YIKES. Hoke, really bad, then briefly great and then gone. Parrish, yuck. Lembo, great early then the BSU fall off. Neu, one championship sandwiched between mostly yuck. This is our football lot in life. Are we ok with it? Neu probably has a lifetime contract as long as Mearns is around. What's our ceiling overall with Mike, 8 wins maybe, with a bunch of 4-6 win teams? Can we live with that? Should we? Is the money spent on football worth it for those kinds of results year over year? MAYBE I could stomach the incredibly mediocrity better if we had an exciting team to watch. (not the players fault, they have to play the gameplan given to them) I really thought Mike would bring an up tempo, get the ball moving downfield with an impressive passing game type of system. NOT EVEN CLOSE. First off, either he cannot actually recruit and coach QB's, OR, he can recruit them but cannot coach/develop them and sits on the ones who could actually bring some exciting play making ability. Which is it. At any rate, it appears that Mike is pretty much just following the BSU football script. That doesn't seem to match the investment made. |
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Post by 00hmh on Nov 16, 2022 9:07:18 GMT -6
Another season is almost in the books and we are right about where we expected to be and what our annual expectations actually SHOULD be. Let's talk apples and apples and look at MAC performance only (same competitive level, recruiting in similar geographical circles) ...Therefore, Neu is performing very close to the historical Ball State average through five years that actually "count" by our coach-changing standards. Sigh. You're not wrong....At any rate, it appears that Mike is pretty much just following the BSU football script. That doesn't seem to match the investment made. I am not sure we can compare him to those past cases or not. On the question of whether it is worth the investment, that has to be part of bigger cost benefit analysis of being in the MAC.
Are we paying him above average in the MAC and should expect long term to be at the top there is one question, are we even spending above average for MAC FB total budget is another?
FB in the MAC is low level FBS. So we can't even go there and compare. The cost to be "average" in the MAC is tough for us to cover. Cost benefit of going "high end" in the MAC is a little depressing. We don't have the highest budget and will never have it, and IF we did, would it be worth it?
Your history lesson raises the question whether a new coach really makes a big enough difference to be worth just the cost alone of a buy out. Parrish was going nowhere a pretty clear case of buyout. Lembo was a case for change, not as expensive, if anything his cases shows we need to have good staff and other support not just a new coach. Neither change represented a move to the top FB program in the MAC.
The "booster with big bucks" mentioned who might buy out Neu will have to come up with more than that to get much bang for his big bucks.
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