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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 11:18:58 GMT -6
No kidding, it's a surprise. He owed a lot to Lewis for his success this year, who found him, recruited him for season, coached him to improve. This may be one we flip and retain.
He's potentially a good 3 and D wing, except he has not shown quite enough D. As just a pure outside threat, I'm not sure what his market is. I guess we'll see. There are an awful lot of guards who can shoot.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 11:26:10 GMT -6
The scent of money is powerful and we flat have been lax in creating a competitive collective that can match what these kids are getting offered elsewhere. NOW it feels like the wheels are really coming off. Both starting guards and All MAC power forward gone and it's just getting ridiculous how much money is flying around from somewhere. Guys who could get recruited over are getting nice money to leave. "NIL" isn't even a thing. It's pay for play 100% and we at little ol BSU are still trying to do the NIL game for a pittance. As Matt Painter said, NIL was not supposed to be about which schools could pay the most to buy kids. It's not clear whether we've been lax, but it is clear we're short of the budget to avoid losing more than just our "best" players and having to scramble to rebuild every year. Here's one list of top 60 portal players. Jihad isn't on it. But he's getting looks from high majors, Mizzou and others. This year may show what NIL budgets look like at various levels. Not so many look like real high impact players at the highest level, but some will get awfully good money to go to high major schools, just as Sparks did. If you had a million dollars and wanted to buy a roster from players like this, you could probably move a low major close to the top 20.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Apr 9, 2024 11:27:25 GMT -6
Does his childhood buddy and AAU teammate, Brittain-Watts, follow Bailey out the door? Thought I read how excited they were to play together again. Well Watts was the other guy with us |
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 9, 2024 11:41:11 GMT -6
So, we've lost our top three scorers including our leading rebounder, our best three-point shooter who led the MAC and our top assist guy who was 2nd in the MAC. It is just sickening to watch all this play out every year. If we have little to no money to offer then Lewis' main selling point is that we groom players to get a big pay day and play at a P5 school. Come here, show out for a year and then go get paid.
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Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 11:50:11 GMT -6
Michael Lewis, groomer.
That doesn't have a good ring to it, and I'm not even going along the bald tangent.
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Post by villagepub on Apr 9, 2024 12:13:12 GMT -6
Michael Lewis, groomer. That doesn't have a good ring to it, and I'm not even going along the bald tangent. Fluffer? |
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Post by david75bsu on Apr 9, 2024 12:28:41 GMT -6
A great number of college players really Suck as people. Only loyalty is to themselves. It’s so obvious they are not there for a degree, just want to play sports. All think their going to be in the NBA or NFL, do they not understand there odds are very, very, very small of reaching this goal! I’m about ready to say good bye to these losers. Feel sorry for the few who just want to play the game for the games sake, as well as the fans who think these guys really care about their university. Like this group to much to just sign off, but it’s getting to the point it’s no longer fun. Add that to the constant losing seasons and lack of leadership/interest from the University leadership and we’ll…
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Post by universityjim on Apr 9, 2024 12:32:33 GMT -6
A great number of college players really Suck as people. Only loyalty is to themselves. It’s so obvious they are not there for a degree, just want to play sports. All think their going to be in the NBA or NFL, do they not understand there odds are very, very, very small of reaching this goal! I’m about ready to say good bye to these losers. Feel sorry for the few who just want to play the game for the games sake, as well as the fans who think these guys really care about their university. Like this group to much to just sign off, but it’s getting to the point it’s no longer fun. Add that to the constant losing seasons and lack of leadership/interest from the University leadership and we’ll… I think they do recognize how slim their odds are and that is why they are in a mad cash grab while they can get it. |
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Post by redbirdman on Apr 9, 2024 12:39:50 GMT -6
The other MAC blogs sound much like David. The death of mid major sports will happen shortly. The blame falls on the greedy money searching players. Kent & Akron have been doing well grabbing other MAC players to go with Bball players they had. They both have nobody returning next year I am waiting to see what teams they have next season. We will see if the coaches can bring in players & win or are now just like EMU & NIU.
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Post by coastalcard on Apr 9, 2024 13:10:34 GMT -6
After watching a significant amount of terrible MAC basketball the last few years, it is interesting that MAC teams would be latching on to MAC portal players to fill their vacancies.
I think it shows that mid majors really don’t know how to navigate the portal market and/or merge it with high school recruiting.
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 14:05:36 GMT -6
The other MAC blogs sound much like David. The death of mid major sports will happen shortly. The blame falls on the greedy money searching players. Kent & Akron have been doing well grabbing other MAC players to go with Bball players they had. They both have nobody returning next year I am waiting to see what teams they have next season. We will see if the coaches can bring in players & win or are now just like EMU & NIU. MAC overall very likely even weaker next year. It's easily possible every MAC team loses it's good players and the best teams this year lose more. We could be the best of the lot. We have a slight overall NIL disadvantage to several programs, so long term we're not going to be dominant, but that the MAC sucks is a good fit for us So far this year with all our losses, we're in the game. |
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Post by realitycheck on Apr 9, 2024 14:06:40 GMT -6
A great number of college players really Suck as people. Only loyalty is to themselves. It’s so obvious they are not there for a degree, just want to play sports. All think their going to be in the NBA or NFL, do they not understand there odds are very, very, very small of reaching this goal! I’m about ready to say good bye to these losers. Feel sorry for the few who just want to play the game for the games sake, as well as the fans who think these guys really care about their university. Like this group to much to just sign off, but it’s getting to the point it’s no longer fun. Add that to the constant losing seasons and lack of leadership/interest from the University leadership and we’ll… Sorry, but this statement just doesn't sit well with me. How do you know these kids (and that's what they are) suck as people? Many are from small means and families without a lot. Many have had really rough backgrounds. The NCAA and coaches have been swimming in cash for decades. Coaches are being bought out for millions of dollars to just go away when they fail. But, these student athletes are the bad guys because they have a chance to make some $$ and in some cases some pretty real money especially for kids who grew up poor? Listen, as a 40-year fan and supporter I don't like it either but the students didn't create this system they're just living in it. It's up to Ball State to decide whether they are going to compete and I'm not sure they will get into the arms race which is what sucks. Like it or not, this is the market and it's not the players fault for participating in the system, especially given our record and futility. |
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Post by 00hmh on Apr 9, 2024 14:14:56 GMT -6
You're 100% right about students and athletes not really owing fans very much in this situation. If the fans don't sacrifice, why should they? This is just not college sports as we have known it anymore.m
Not sure the institution can decide anything, though. Or the collective "we."
Will enough of "us" be able to and want to pay into NIL collectives?
Should we do so is a good question. Donors now choose tax deductible support for scholarships, academic programs, brick and mortar over athletic operations.
I can't criticize that.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Apr 9, 2024 14:36:30 GMT -6
A great number of college players really Suck as people. Only loyalty is to themselves. It’s so obvious they are not there for a degree, just want to play sports. All think their going to be in the NBA or NFL, do they not understand there odds are very, very, very small of reaching this goal! I’m about ready to say good bye to these losers. Feel sorry for the few who just want to play the game for the games sake, as well as the fans who think these guys really care about their university. Like this group to much to just sign off, but it’s getting to the point it’s no longer fun. Add that to the constant losing seasons and lack of leadership/interest from the University leadership and we’ll… Sorry, but this statement just doesn't sit well with me. How do you know these kids (and that's what they are) suck as people? Many are from small means and families without a lot. Many have had really rough backgrounds. The NCAA and coaches have been swimming in cash for decades. Coaches are being bought out for millions of dollars to just go away when they fail. But, these student athletes are the bad guys because they have a chance to make some $$ and in some cases some pretty real money especially for kids who grew up poor? Listen, as a 40-year fan and supporter I don't like it either but the students didn't create this system they're just living in it. It's up to Ball State to decide whether they are going to compete and I'm not sure they will get into the arms race which is what sucks. Like it or not, this is the market and it's not the players fault for participating in the system, especially given our record and futility. I also have a feeling if a billionaire showed up and funded us giving the entire current roster the boot and bringing in top tier talent there wouldn't be too many objections that the school wasn't loyal enough to [fill in the blank with any player buried on the bench]. |
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Post by cbcjanney on Apr 9, 2024 15:32:29 GMT -6
Your 100% right about students and athletes not really owing fans very much in this situation. If the fans don't sacrifice, why should they? This is just not college sports as we have known it anymore.m Not sure the institution can decide anything, though. Or the collective "we." Will enough of "us" be able to and want to pay into NIL collectives? Should we do so is a good question. Donors now choose tax deductible support for scholarships, academic programs, brick and mortar over athletic operations. I can't criticize that. Yeah, everyone can spend their money as they choose, but I can't say this is how I'd choose to spend my disposable donation money. Even if BSU would be able to buy a decent to good regular-season team, but the rest of the conference doesn't spend likewise, you're one bad shooting game away from being eliminated from the one-ncaa-bid conference tourney given where the Strength of Schedule would fall. Most likely then the CBI at best. A school like ours has to hope for 1 alumni to fork over the whole Pay for Play budget (not calling it NIL anymore) to purchase a championship team. No way we get 30-40 donors to pitch in $20K apiece. On a side note, I read an article recently, (can't find it right now to link) describing top reasons people become//remain fans of a certain team. -- I know the players or coaches personally (that isn't me when it comes to BSU, don't know any of them) -- Players/Coaches are from my hometown or they are the "local" team (not me where I grew up, nor where I live now, in regards for BSU) -- I acquired rooting interests from my parents, family, or friends (I came from 5 hours away to BSU in the 80's, none of those folks were also BSU fans) -- I as an alumni root for those who share the bond of my formative-year experiences (this could be/has been me over the years, and is really the only reason for my Ball St athletics loyalty) except for me that bond would include: having the same profs or major, living in/attending classes in the same campus buildings, meeting a spouse there, attending only that school as my alma mater, working a campus job to make ends meet, and the history/traditions/landmarks of the school song, Scramble Light, Duck Pond, Benny, Christy Woods, etc, eating at Muncie restaurants like QL's or Hungry Farmer, and lastly giving back to the University in terms of $$ or mentoring time in gratitude for how the University provided the opportunity for success after college........ nowadays however (and obviously times have changed from the 80's in general so things wouldn't be identical but...) I don't see BSU (or especially any Power5 schools) athletes who are Architecture majors living in Studebaker or Noyer - they're at Athlete-only places for Dining and Lodging, they don't get out into town unless something for a paid appearance, many have never heard of BSU before they arrive nor do they ever come back afterwards (oftentimes they only like spend Year 3 out of 5 in Muncie) and certainly don't give a dime back in gratitude for their free scholarship or any other handout money. Anymore I have to grudgingly admit that today's BSU athletes don't really share those experiences of mine any more than someone who attends another rival college. It's no different at other schools so it's not like I'll switch my allegiance elsewhere - just coming to the conclusion that it's time for folks like myself and more-than-likely BSU itself, to bow out of this arms race and for me to find another hobby! |
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