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Post by CardsFB1 on Sept 16, 2024 18:06:29 GMT -6
The final score was bad enough but when I just read we gave up 750 yards of offense to The Canes I had to refill my drink. How in the actual hell can we be that pathetic? Dang! 750 vs. 115 total yards, just saw that. If Cam Ward stayed in the game, the Canes would had 1000 yards & 75-80 points scored. |
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Post by journalismjoe76 on Sept 16, 2024 18:20:06 GMT -6
Well the good news is we don't play Toledo. We won't play them until the MAC Championship Game on December 7th. |
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Post by CallingBS on Sept 16, 2024 19:07:38 GMT -6
Well the good news is we don't play Toledo. I honestly never even thought about that. It's crazy to think of Toledo not being on our schedule! Toledo is probably glad - we always seem to ruin their best seasons. |
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Sept 17, 2024 8:32:38 GMT -6
At some point the conversation will have to made about playing for Mikes Job.. They all the say they love him so much so can they use that on the field Looks like everyone loves him except the fans. I guess if the admin and the players think you’re great, who cares if you win 🤷♂️ I'm not sure what it is, but even a lot of fans love him too. I've been ready for a change for a while but I really want him to succeed. I would much rather win with Mike than win with someone else. But I'd rather win with someone else than lose with Mike. |
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 9:21:21 GMT -6
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Post by cardfan on Sept 17, 2024 9:21:21 GMT -6
Looks like everyone loves him except the fans. I guess if the admin and the players think you’re great, who cares if you win 🤷♂️ I'm not sure what it is, but even a lot of fans love him too. I've been ready for a change for a while but I really want him to succeed. I would much rather win with Mike than win with someone else. But I'd rather win with someone else than lose with Mike. Exactly. |
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 9:36:58 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Sept 17, 2024 9:36:58 GMT -6
I'm not sure what it is, but even a lot of fans love him too. I've been ready for a change for a while but I really want him to succeed. I would much rather win with Mike than win with someone else. But I'd rather win with someone else than lose with Mike. Exactly. I'm not sure winning a little more means all that much.
Granted, a new coach does always bring some hope for a significant change. Not really that likely, but obviously if we can change coaches and that means we contend for the MAC that would mean something. Not all that much even then, given the cost, but something. It's just that the longer term the MAC is a creature that seems doomed to die a slow death as bottom feeder in FBS.
I doubt we are all that happy until the powers that be work out how to make MAC FB work at our level of funding, a level where we can be "winners" at some lower level. I know some still want to hope for FBS success. Which may mean there will be little joy in Mudville for an indefinitely long period.
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 9:40:10 GMT -6
Post by cardfan on Sept 17, 2024 9:40:10 GMT -6
I'm not sure winning a little more means all that much.
Granted, a new coach does always bring some hope for a significant change. Not really that likely, but obviously if we can change coaches and that means we contend for the MAC that would mean something. Not all that much even then, given the cost, but something. It's just that the longer term the MAC is a creature that seems doomed to die a slow death as bottom feeder in FBS.
I doubt we are all that happy until the powers that be work out how to make MAC FB work at our level of funding, a level where we can be "winners" at some lower level. I know some still want to hope for FBS success. Which may mean there will be little joy in Mudville for an indefinitely long period.
Can't disagree with that. MAC football is a losing proposition for most MAC schools no matter what. Toledo seems to have a different formula. |
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Post by coastalcard on Sept 17, 2024 10:09:07 GMT -6
Well, Toledo IS a beautiful urban mecca…….
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 10:10:13 GMT -6
Post by 00hmh on Sept 17, 2024 10:10:13 GMT -6
I'm not sure winning a little more means all that much.
Granted, a new coach does always bring some hope for a significant change. Not really that likely, but obviously if we can change coaches and that means we contend for the MAC that would mean something. Not all that much even then, given the cost, but something. It's just that the longer term the MAC is a creature that seems doomed to die a slow death as bottom feeder in FBS.
I doubt we are all that happy until the powers that be work out how to make MAC FB work at our level of funding, a level where we can be "winners" at some lower level. I know some still want to hope for FBS success. Which may mean there will be little joy in Mudville for an indefinitely long period.
Can't disagree with that. MAC football is a losing proposition for most MAC schools no matter what. Toledo seems to have a different formula. Their relative success may make it possible for them to move out of the MAC and maybe even a long shot to gain enough TV revenue to pay for FB. I could see them surviving longer term in FBS. Still hard to see them as anything more than G5.
Serious question where G5 ends up, if it survives in viable form, no sure thing bet there. Why will the P3/4 conferences need that second tier?
Based on the B12 finding a route to survival, what's going on with the ACC struggling to do the same, with the PAC8(?) imploding and reemerging with ambition which doesn't reasonably look to be real return to a P5, and based on the way stronger programs in the MW and AAC are being poached, where does this story end up?
Formerly half way viable conferences are hurting. The MAC, barely sort of viable, and other G5 conferences failing due to poaching, the result is looking like the best case is the MAC and others locking in as a basement level hanger on. Rag tag remnants forming some kind of coalition?
It's stubborn commitment to continue in FBS might make the MAC a stepping stone for the FCS teams with ambition, and maybe a place the teams from other failed conferences would have some interest in, if they share the wish of a lingering death. (Or hope for some kind of favorable treatment by the expanding P3/4. )
Maybe we'll see a P3/4? and a G3/4? with one lower level guaranteed team in the playoff with remote chances to win a game? That doesn't seem to mean financial viability for BSU or the MAC schools, at best maybe a higher powered MACtion type ESPN contract for the relegated teams.
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Post by williamtsherman on Sept 17, 2024 10:19:42 GMT -6
I'm not sure that all this re-alignment, NIL and transfer upset has changed the basic situation of the MAC. The MAC is, in fact, viable as an FBS conference. Of course I don't mean viable as real FBS football programs in the normal sense, but rather viable as a scam to pretend to be such. What has made and continues to make the MAC's charade viable is the schools' ability to fleece the students to cover the yearly 8-figure loss per program. That has not changed.
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 11:16:59 GMT -6
Post by bsu0 on Sept 17, 2024 11:16:59 GMT -6
Let us face the reality that it is OVER for the MAC teams with possibly a couple of exceptions. There is no way we can compete in today’s climate of MONEY MONEY MONEY. The major conferences might want to keep us around for a while and use us as patsies for early season tune ups but we will never be competitive. ..Ball State has given the coach enough of a chance. If we want to fund some sort of a football program it is time to hire a new coach with some kind of a vision for the new problems and there are many of them we will face going forward.
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 11:21:37 GMT -6
Post by sdacardinal on Sept 17, 2024 11:21:37 GMT -6
One off loss? No more like once again.
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 12:28:57 GMT -6
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Post by 00hmh on Sept 17, 2024 12:28:57 GMT -6
I'm not sure that all this re-alignment, NIL and transfer upset has changed the basic situation of the MAC. The MAC is, in fact, viable as an FBS conference. Of course I don't mean viable as real FBS football programs in the normal sense, but rather viable as a scam to pretend to be such. What has made and continues to make the MAC's charade viable is the schools' ability to fleece the students to cover the yearly 8-figure loss per program. That has not changed. As costs increase, it's getting harder. Even if we follow some kind of Sherman Plan and hire a HS coach and staff, it's a small dent. Cutting scholarships in realignment would be a too obvious sign we're just lying about being FBS. |
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Miami
Sept 17, 2024 19:09:52 GMT -6
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Post by thebsukid on Sept 17, 2024 19:09:52 GMT -6
I would continue to argue that we should spend our resources on basketball both women’s and men’s where at least we have a fighting chance!
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Miami
Sept 18, 2024 8:11:38 GMT -6
Post by williamtsherman on Sept 18, 2024 8:11:38 GMT -6
A lot of things that would seem to be obviously not viable would actually be quite viable if you had a group of patsies from whom you could extract $10million+ per year to keep the thing going.
MAC football HAS such a group of patsies. Furthermore, this group of patsies has access to government subsidized loans to cover their increased costs. So, you can go on and on about how bad MAC football is from a competitive perspective, how pathetic their game attendance is, the ridiculous time slots they have to take to get their games televised, the increasing costs and deficits, the ludicrous and obscure bowls they qualify for, the new disadvantages brought about by NIL and transfers, etc. etc. etc. MAC football's ability to reach into the pockets of MAC school students for "fees", overcomes all this. This source of money has been sufficient to cover each programs losses even as they crested above $10 million a year.
If you predict the demise of FBS MAC football, you need to explain to me how this source is going to dry up.
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