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Post by bsu0 on Jun 13, 2016 7:47:42 GMT -6
Does anyone one know what happened to our search for a new President? What happened to President Ferguson and why was he fired? I smell something rotten in Muncie but I can't for the life of me, I can't tell what it is. I have never seen a change in the administration at the university that is this quiet.
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Post by cardfan on Jun 13, 2016 8:15:05 GMT -6
Well, it all begins and ends with the BOT. It might not be the entire BOT but all it takes is one person who strong arms..
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 13, 2016 10:35:57 GMT -6
Que the Mike Pence speculation
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Post by cardfan on Jun 13, 2016 10:51:51 GMT -6
It's out there dude.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 13, 2016 13:21:08 GMT -6
The search seems to be slow after the firing seemed fast. Plenty of rumors that the BOT, or some small part of it, and the Pres had differences.
One rumor is that he was not as respectful of "old Ball State" and the Ball family wishes. Also, the President came from Maine where he had been bullied by the legislature and I suspect he was not very happy with Indiana legislators and ICHE wanting a greater say too. That all seems likely but he must have known that was coming when he took the job and it is hardly something where you can imagine needing immediate action unless the President was just too vocal in his criticism of the powers to be.
Even then, why was the BOT so urgent? Why the sweetheart deal unless they had something they wanted to hide? Even if it was all the Presidents fault and he did something outrageous in the area of pissing off the money?
Apart from the board wanting to top down as usual and the President being sensitive to the political constraints which seem VERY likely true with any President what was going on?
It has to be money. The only concrete thing I have heard about the substantive reasons for displeasure with the President is that he wanted to spend money, we didn't have it, he was complaining about being pushed to do more with less, and the BOT or some small number of them blamed him for everything since he wasn't raising lots of it. Others on the BOT must have disagreed, since otherwise you'd think the action would not be covered up so much.
I think the search is slow mostly because the best candidates are usually other Presidents. It is hard to see a sitting President leaving in the middle of an academic year, and awfully hard to imagine the search concluded before school starts this Fall. So, it therefore seems that a search has to be very slow and not fill the position until Spring. Seems to me the likely course.
Or.
Maybe we can do it faster if we seek out private sector candidates like Purdue did with Mitch (hey, the Koch's probably could help us out with a candidate?) or, maybe we are looking at a Provost or other academic who has not served as a President. Seems unlikely we would have made that decision in advance, though. And we are a tough enough job to imagine taking on somebody OJT. Well, unless we are headed for a private sector or politician candidate being quickly chosen, and all the talk about transparency was really a joke then, since that would be a mild surprise at the least.
That no experience Provost possibility seems especially unlikely since the job of President is largely to raise money and to lobby the legislature, and a Provost is unlikely to have that much experience in fund raising, or high level politics.
Anyway, since the legislature is asleep for a year anyway and the search seems likely to be slow, it is really puzzling why the firing was so quick.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2016 14:23:47 GMT -6
"(hey, the Koch's probably could help us out with a candidate?)"
You just couldn't help making a moronic political comment could you ?
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 13, 2016 17:17:14 GMT -6
"(hey, the Koch's probably could help us out with a candidate?)" You just couldn't help making a moronic political comment could you ? Lighten up halftime. The whole Koch thing is a tempest in the teapot, the greater political issue is the legislature trying to dictate good educational policy by making BSU a trade school, a glorified community college. That is a real threat.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jun 13, 2016 19:45:18 GMT -6
Im not real up to speed on the whole Koch thing. BSU needs money they have money seems logical to take what you can get. Why are the Koch's so villified
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Post by BSSN on Jun 14, 2016 10:19:51 GMT -6
Im not real up to speed on the whole Koch thing. BSU needs money they have money seems logical to take what you can get. Why are the Koch's so villified Because they're not George Soros. Or any other far-left radical on the approved donor list of the academic world.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2016 11:32:21 GMT -6
Im not real up to speed on the whole Koch thing. BSU needs money they have money seems logical to take what you can get. Why are the Koch's so villified Because they're not George Soros. Or any other far-left radical on the approved donor list of the academic world. Funding research on the basis of whether the conclusion matches a preexisting point of view is the issue with the Koch money, or any outside funding. Teaching about free enterprise and markets is what business schools and economics departments routinely do. I'd be happy if the Koch money just funded business research. Period. There is very little grant funding available in business schools. The Koch money in Florida came allegedly with ties and potentially interfered with academic choices in hiring and management. Does the money come with ties, interefere in academic decisions??Mike Goldsby denies that is the case here. I'd be more comfortable with the money if somebody could explain coherently what entrepreneurial education is. I understand entrepreneurship in business activity, not sure how a professor in the class room or a public university engages in "entrepreneurial" activity in education. It's like "immersive" learning. Never knew why internships and many other traditional business education practices did not qualify...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 12:23:46 GMT -6
Yeah well after spending all of 30 seconds perusing the "Center for Public Integrity" website you linked I can clearly see that isn't the best place to get an unbiased non-political viewpoint. Next time why don't you just justify your rambling explanation by linking to ihatecapitalism.com or peoplewithmoneysuck.com.
"Never knew why internships and many other traditional business education practices did not qualify..."
Probably because running copies, filing papers, and getting lunch for some guy at an insurance agency isn't really academics. Although it probably isn't as worthless as say taking a business law class where the professor smells like an ashtray, and drones on and on about the history of something that has nothing to do with the question asked.
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Post by BSSN on Jun 14, 2016 13:02:29 GMT -6
cms.bsu.edu/academics/centersandinstitutes/entrepreneurshipcenterIt teaches students the groundwork for being a business innovator, marketer/promoter, and (hopefully) future venture capitalist. I've spent a substantial amount of time with that department, and it's pretty intense. The degree is pass/fail. This, of course, flies in the face of the many academics who, on one hand, bemoan the greed of capitalism, then, on the other hand, complain that they are underpaid. Usually the same academics that could never make it in the corporate world.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2016 13:06:48 GMT -6
Internships doing copying should not earn credit. Good internship requires students to do real work and to be able to relate it to their major.
Still don't know what immersive is and why glorified group project is better than actually going to work.
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Post by 00hmh on Jun 14, 2016 13:13:19 GMT -6
I agree that the entrepreneurship business program makes sense. I support that program and it's been a good one. This new thing Goldsby is doing outside the Business School in entrepreneurial education which is supposed to apply to the way the university more broadly is run is more a mystery. How do you teach history in an "entrepreneurial" way as opposed to some other way. That's the part I was saying is not very clearly defined...
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Post by BSSN on Jun 14, 2016 13:16:03 GMT -6
Internships doing copying should not earn credit. Good internship requires students to do real work and to be able to relate it to their major. Still don't know what immersive is and why glorified group project is better than actually going to work. You should talk to Chris Taylor in SportsLink. That guy lives and breathes immersive learning. It focuses on collaborative effort (with specific individual responsibilities) to achieve a goal, produce a product, or solve a problem. It's hands-on, real world experience. So they are actually "going to work."
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