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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 22, 2016 10:31:47 GMT -6
The mods didn't delete my account as I requested, so I'm able to check in at intervals to see that this board is just as stupid as it always was.
The current situation does not seem to have fully penetrated your thick skulls:
The current coach, in three years, has zero MAC tourney victories, zero first team all-mac players signed, zero second team all-mac players signed, zero third team all-mac players signed and zero honorable mention all-mac players signed. You have to give him some credit for rock solid consistency. Despite these results, and for God knows what reason, this coach gets a lengthy contract extension. So with his nest thus secured and feathered, he immediately decamps for California at the first possible moment. Apparently he will sacrifice his time to watch Indiana players....as long as they travel to a state that is within a convenient radius to his preferred abode. Thanks coach!
I will probably continue to check in occasionally out of curiosity - I'm interested to see when the change over will happen. When will it happen that people switch from "We have to keep this coach because he is building the program" to "We have to keep this coach because we can't afford to eat the contract."
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Post by david75bsu on Aug 22, 2016 11:17:32 GMT -6
The mods didn't delete my account as I requested, so I'm able to check in at intervals to see that this board is just as stupid as it always was.
The current situation does not seem to have fully penetrated your thick skulls:
The current coach, in three years, has zero MAC tourney victories, zero first team all-mac players signed, zero second team all-mac players signed, zero third team all-mac players signed and zero honorable mention all-mac players signed. You have to give him some credit for rock solid consistency. Despite these results, and for God knows what reason, this coach gets a lengthy contract extension. So with his nest thus secured and feathered, he immediately decamps for California at the first possible moment. Apparently he will sacrifice his time to watch Indiana players....as long as they travel to a state that is within a convenient radius to his preferred abode. Thanks coach!
I will probably continue to check in occasionally out of curiosity - I'm interested to see when the change over will happen. When will it happen that people switch from "We have to keep this coach because he is building the program" to "We have to keep this coach because we can't afford to eat the contract." You were gone, didn't notice.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 22, 2016 12:01:15 GMT -6
The Prodigal son returns Welcome back Sherm
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 12:05:18 GMT -6
Thanks for checking in. Surprised the board made this long without you....
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2016 12:10:43 GMT -6
Nothing like a breath of fresh negative charged ions in the air. Get on over to the football forum if you want to see some real optimism, and recharge your batteries, Sherm.
Each basketball win, against all the odds you cite, will just drain your reserves of negative energy.
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Post by reevo on Aug 22, 2016 12:40:17 GMT -6
The mods didn't delete my account as I requested, so I'm able to check in at intervals to see that this board is just as stupid as it always was.
The current situation does not seem to have fully penetrated your thick skulls:
The current coach, in three years, has zero MAC tourney victories, zero first team all-mac players signed, zero second team all-mac players signed, zero third team all-mac players signed and zero honorable mention all-mac players signed. You have to give him some credit for rock solid consistency. Despite these results, and for God knows what reason, this coach gets a lengthy contract extension. So with his nest thus secured and feathered, he immediately decamps for California at the first possible moment. Apparently he will sacrifice his time to watch Indiana players....as long as they travel to a state that is within a convenient radius to his preferred abode. Thanks coach!
I will probably continue to check in occasionally out of curiosity - I'm interested to see when the change over will happen. When will it happen that people switch from "We have to keep this coach because he is building the program" to "We have to keep this coach because we can't afford to eat the contract." The truth hurts! As my grandfather use to say so eloquently "He ain't wrong."
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2016 13:07:41 GMT -6
Of the "three years" cited above, only 2 classes have been on the floor. So I am not sure how big deal and absence of All-MAC honors is. "True" his claim may be, but not clear if it is meaningful truth. All MAC yet or not, we have seen at least 6 kids signed who are very likely going to be solid MAC starter quality players, not counting the incoming freshmen.
As for the summer vacation, we're a little short of information on whether it had any impact on his or the program's recruiting activity.
To me his conclusion that the coach is a failure is far from warranted on these "truths."
So, whether all that negativity reflects any meaningful "truth" and whether it all leads to his conclusion is not clear to me at all. so it is a little hard to declare that he "ain't wrong" or if the situation is quite so dire as he seems to think under the circumstances.
But the good news is that although not eligible for the kid's most negative poster award, I think we should allow that your grandfather is in the running for honorable mention.
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Post by BSU Card Fan in AZ on Aug 22, 2016 14:23:01 GMT -6
Hope it's a long time before we hear again. Like maybe never. Leaving for good usually means not returning.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Aug 22, 2016 14:24:17 GMT -6
Due to the fact that Sherm never says anything good about football he would be a lock. Cardfan and I say enough positives about football our posts there outweigh or realist posts about basketball. Halftime is just halftime, love him or hate him.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2016 15:37:55 GMT -6
Hope it's a long time before we hear again. Like maybe never. Leaving for good usually means not returning. Sherman has been following politics where changing your mind is just what you always meant in the first place.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2016 15:50:49 GMT -6
Due to the fact that Sherm never says anything good about football he would be a lock. Cardfan and I say enough positives about football our posts there outweigh or realist posts about basketball. Halftime is just halftime, love him or hate him. Yes, Sheman on the football forum is not a good idea, the positive energy and optimism might cause a short circuit. I tend to agree with him that college football is a big mess and impossible to sustain at a mid major long term, while basketball is actually viable. However, I do not agree with him about the idea of turning over coaches until you grab a miracle worker, it just doesn't work unless you have very good revenue and can pay off those pesky contracts. Can't argue that he has a point that a long term relatively early contract was risky, but I don't see arguing about how it has failed on the evidence he cites, prefer to look for ways it can work...and, not doing it had some downside too. Halftime is indeed halftime, loving him is a bit harder than hating him unfortunately. But, he doesn't seem to be looking for friends, and seems to enjoy himself. Sherman seems like he is in pain most of the time.
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Post by reevo on Aug 22, 2016 16:12:16 GMT -6
Of the "three years" cited above, only 2 classes have been on the floor. So I am not sure how big deal and absence of All-MAC honors is. "True" his claim may be, but not clear if it is meaningful truth. All MAC yet or not, we have seen at least 6 kids signed who are very likely going to be solid MAC starter quality players, not counting the incoming freshmen. As for the summer vacation, we're a little short of information on whether it had any impact on his or the program's recruiting activity. To me his conclusion that the coach is a failure is far from warranted on these "truths." So, whether all that negativity reflects any meaningful "truth" and whether it all leads to his conclusion is not clear to me at all. so it is a little hard to declare that he "ain't wrong" or if the situation is quite so dire as he seems to think under the circumstances. But the good news is that although not eligible for the kid's most negative poster award, I think we should allow that your grandfather is in the running for honorable mention. More truths: James Whitford Record against Kent, Akron & Ohio: 0-13 with 6 loses at home. Buffalo 1-3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2016 16:39:20 GMT -6
Opposing coach: So son who else is contacting you the most.
Recruit : Well Ball State has been blowing up my phone lately.
Opposing coach : Yeah Ball State, I understand Muncie and the campus are so nice Coach Whitford spent the last three months somewhere else. No, no I am just joking I am sure Muncie is beautiful this time of year.
Recruit : (Laughing) Yeah I wondered why the area code, on all those calls, was from somewhere else. Maybe I don't need to take that scheduled visit after all. Where do I sign ?
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Post by lmills72 on Aug 22, 2016 17:06:45 GMT -6
First, I think it's worth mentioning that Franko House, who was a second-team All-MAC selection and all-MAC defensive team player last year, has played all three years under Whitford.
The Whitford detractors will say House already was signed and had few other options, which is true. The Whitford supporters will say he had to re-recruit House. Also true but probably not too tough of a job. I will give Whitford and/or his staff some credit for House's development. Considering his skill set, I'm sure even the General wouldn't have projected him as a second-team selection when he came to BSU.
Second, I'll note that Bo Calhoun got kinda screwed by not being given even honorable mention status last year. However, Calhoun certainly wasn't even secondarily recruited by Whitford, although I again give the current staff some credit for his development and the fact that he'll now get paid to play basketball overseas.
Third, Whitford did recruit Sean Sellers, who was a MAC Freshman of the Year. Again though, I'll grant that Freshmen of the Year is often little more than the best freshman on a really bad team.
In general, regarding all-MAC selections, I started a thread back in November asking whether posters would rather have a dominant stud who you could always depend on for points/rebounds/assists, etc. (these are the players who typically populate the all-MAC first and second teams), or would they rather have more of a team approach, which is kinda what we had last year and probably what we'll have this year, too. In general, teams with more of a team approach don't get a lot of personal recognition in terms of awards. Certainly there are some players on teams like that who are just too studly to deny, but they are very rare.
The General replied that he had no preference, that he had seen teams built both ways have success. Now, it seems he prefers studs.
I'll agree that I find the whole California summer pretty strange. I appreciate the wife/career/family element to it, and I assume Sandy signed off on it or it would probably be grounds for breaking the contract, but that just doesn't seem something that will work year after year. I guess we'll see what/who he signs this fall and see how recruiting was affected. Certainly no positive signs yet.
And finally, we already can't afford to get rid of him, no matter what posters think. But, maybe if he goes to Cali without Sandy's OK again during next summer's recruiting we will be able to wiggle out of his contract.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 22, 2016 17:16:22 GMT -6
More truths: James Whitford Record against Kent, Akron & Ohio: 0-13 with 6 loses at home. Buffalo 1-3 No argument here that we are fighting to break into the top 4 and will have to beat those guys. I think the next 3 years would be a better metric to look at when judging Whit's job. To be fair the record reflects 2 years where we were in rebuilding mode and fighting a series of train wrecks when we did not have the depth or talent to compensate. What he started with, injury, players not playing for other reasons all added up. The third year, I think you have to agree we have made a big step up in the MAC, but I can't argue with you, we did not play well enough against those top teams. My only argument is that the 3 yr record against top teams does not tell the whole story. Whitford got us playing well in the MAC and I hope we learned a little about winning those big games. If I had a worry it would be that the season ending slump still surprises me a little, although NIU and Central probably played well, we did not respond under pressure. I'll give coaching and especially mental preparation some blame there. We lost our edge at the worst time. We regained some of that edge a little in post season, let's see if the team learned a lesson and responds better this year. C'mon, Whitford was recognized for his coaching by opposition press and peers. Overall a good job last year.
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