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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2016 6:31:40 GMT -6
It's true that Whit turned down Miami. I like the guy. I hope he hits it huge at BSU. That's great for everybody. I for one am not questioning his private life. As long as there is no negative effect from his being away from his team and Midwest recruiting for 3 months then all will be water under the bridge. But if we struggle again to sign anyone in the Fall then I think it's fair game to wonder what the factors are. With so many possible factors contributing to success or lack of success recruiting, we can worry about a lot of things, but it is just too early to make the assertions some have in this and other threads. The "facts" are not only unclear, but how or whether there is any resulting problem, or its cause. Heck, if you want to worry about every possible problem, worry whether some recruit or parent reads some of this unrelenting negativity and decides this is a damned poor place on grounds of hostility and lack positive fan support.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 24, 2016 6:41:59 GMT -6
Or you can make excuses for every damn thing like I used to with Buckley. And if fans grumble over the lack of REAL success, well by golly that's just not nice and the coach will just leave or a recruit might not be mentally tough enough to want to play here. (And if a recruit lets a stupid message board sway his decision..)
No matter what happens it's not on the coach. We see the huge success thats led us to......
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Post by thebsukid on Aug 24, 2016 8:37:55 GMT -6
Not yet but we're getting there
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2016 8:46:49 GMT -6
Or you can make excuses for every damn thing like I used to with Buckley. And if fans grumble over the lack of REAL success, well by golly that's just not nice and the coach will just leave or a recruit might not be mentally tough enough to want to play here. (And if a recruit lets a stupid message board sway his decision..) No matter what happens it's not on the coach. We see the huge success thats led us to...... That is an overreaction. You are reliving pain suffered in the past for no reason. This is not about excuses for lack of success. My point is we don't have anything to make excuses about, or any idea it is lack of success at this point. Why go out of your way to worry about something which certainly is not known to be anything, where we have little knowledge of the facts or of any impact of what only MIGHT be something that MIGHT create some problem. Or not. If you want to do that, there a lot of things that MIGHT be a problem that we can worry about. That was my point.
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Post by williamtsherman on Aug 24, 2016 9:10:54 GMT -6
"With so many possible factors contributing to success or lack of success recruiting, we can worry about a lot of things, but it is just too early to make the assertions some have in this and other threads. The "facts" are not only unclear, but how or whether there is any resulting problem, or its cause."
Typical mealy-mouthed excuse making, like we've seen around here for 12+ years and 4 coaches.
Because...you know...everything is so dang vague and unclear, we really can't draw any conclusions or make any criticisms....it's too early and all. Except that the next time Akron or Kent come around here and stuffs our head in a toilet again....I don't know but things seem to get pretty clear an concrete whenever we play those teams.
Is it really that difficult to understand that having your head coach spend the summer 1800 miles away is an important disadvantage to recruiting? How much more obvious and common sense can a fact be? The only way this is "unclear" is if you are willing to fog your own brain with idiotic denial and delusion.
The fanbase should be in outright revolt over this situation. It would be at programs with real expectations of winning championships. The sad fact is that a significant portion of our fanbase is comprised of pathetic, downtrodden pussies who will accept any indignity and make any excuse to avoid facing the reality of a failed program.
But wait! Maybe Whitford spent his time recruiting California kids! Yes, of course. Obviously! The evidence of this is all the offers, visits and recruiting buzz we see between BSU and CA kids. As far as I can see the grand total of this is exactly equal to the number of MAC tourney games we have won lately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 9:16:23 GMT -6
I'm too busy for a revolt. Labor Day weekend is coming up.
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Post by bsu0 on Aug 24, 2016 9:25:51 GMT -6
All this upheaval over,''That dirty little weekend in LA.''
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Post by sag on Aug 24, 2016 9:36:33 GMT -6
"With so many possible factors contributing to success or lack of success recruiting, we can worry about a lot of things, but it is just too early to make the assertions some have in this and other threads. The "facts" are not only unclear, but how or whether there is any resulting problem, or its cause."
Typical mealy-mouthed excuse making, like we've seen around here for 12+ years and 4 coaches.
Because...you know...everything is so dang vague and unclear, we really can't draw any conclusions or make any criticisms....it's too early and all. Except that the next time Akron or Kent come around here and stuffs our head in a toilet again....I don't know but things seem to get pretty clear an concrete whenever we play those teams.
Is it really that difficult to understand that having your head coach spend the summer 1800 miles away is an important disadvantage to recruiting? How much more obvious and common sense can a fact be? The only way this is "unclear" is if you are willing to fog your own brain with idiotic denial and delusion.
The fanbase should be in outright revolt over this situation. It would be at programs with real expectations of winning championships. The sad fact is that a significant portion of our fanbase is comprised of pathetic, downtrodden pussies who will accept any indignity and make any excuse to avoid facing the reality of a failed program.
But wait! Maybe Whitford spent his time recruiting California kids! Yes, of course. Obviously! The evidence of this is all the offers, visits and recruiting buzz we see between BSU and CA kids. As far as I can see the grand total of this is exactly equal to the number of MAC tourney games we have won lately.
If by revolt you mean gloriously protesting a free message board for like two weeks only to return before the signing period is over to make some speculative complaints, you are really doing your avatar a disservice. Though sometimes, it's true, halftime can sound like a downtrodden pussy. Too much?
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Post by universityjim on Aug 24, 2016 10:27:31 GMT -6
Or you can make excuses for every damn thing like I used to with Buckley. And if fans grumble over the lack of REAL success, well by golly that's just not nice and the coach will just leave or a recruit might not be mentally tough enough to want to play here. (And if a recruit lets a stupid message board sway his decision..) No matter what happens it's not on the coach. We see the huge success thats led us to...... That is an overreaction. You are reliving pain suffered in the past for no reason. This is not about excuses for lack of success. My point is we don't have anything to make excuses about, or any idea it is lack of success at this point. Why go out of your way to worry about something which certainly is not known to be anything, where we have little knowledge of the facts or of any impact of what only MIGHT be something that MIGHT create some problem. Or not. If you want to do that, there a lot of things that MIGHT be a problem that we can worry about. That was my point. Gosh, if you are going to look at and throw a fit over a bunch of speculative and circumstantial evidence you might as well pull this one out too. Our slide in basketball started around the same time our message board did. Coincidence?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2016 10:31:59 GMT -6
Is it really that difficult to understand that having your head coach spend the summer 1800 miles away is an important disadvantage to recruiting? Sure, could be a disadvantage. Any evidence of this actually being a problem? You have times and dates he was gone and and what exactly happened here that he missed? Any reason to think communication was more difficult? Is there some reason, which I can't imagine, he couldn't travel for recruiting from LA or use his phone? Besides a complaint about the "general" hysteria of your rant, the fact is that much, actually most, of the summer recruiting is not done by campus contact. You are waving your hands with a vague charge of "spending the summer" away from work. Pretty big assumption about where the work has to be done, how much was actually done in this summer and whether anything was actually missed or could have been done better. At best, from MIGHT be a problem, you jump to that as a fact, and then call for revolt. From an off hand remark you act like you have reviewed his calendar and uncovered a scandal. C'mon. I don't know all the answers, but see no reason to give this the worst interpretation possible. If he was in Muncie every day, all summer, you'd probably say he should have been on the road.
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2016 10:40:54 GMT -6
Gosh, if you are going to look at and throw a fit over a bunch of speculative and circumstantial evidence you might as well pull this one out too. Our slide in basketball started around the same time our message board did. Coincidence? I think you have the methodology down for how these rants are generated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 11:43:08 GMT -6
Regardless if it is important or not or if someone seems offended that it is prying into someone's personal life........why would we consider that the university would be worried where an employee spends 25% of their calendar year when they aren't even concerned where $12.6M was squirreled away?
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Post by 00hmh on Aug 24, 2016 12:55:07 GMT -6
Regardless if it is important or not or if someone seems offended that it is prying into someone's personal life........why would we consider that the university would be worried where an employee spends 25% of their calendar year when they aren't even concerned where $12.6M was squirreled away? Good rhetoric. But. This is not about asking questions. That would just fine with me. Write a letter to the AD, the President, or the Board. Ask all you want. Calling for a revolt is a something more, quite a bit stronger action, and also without any justification that I see, implies you know something is wrong. Well. Unless you are foolish or paranoid, and blowing smoke on a message board. Moreover, all this ranting assumes the absence was not done for any good or permissible reason with full knowledge and approval. Again, perhaps open to question, but certainly meaning the coach acted professionally, and the outrage should be tempered until you knew any such reason. Lots of reasons here to back off a bit. As far as that 12.6 mil, from what I read, they certainly were concerned. In fact it seems obvious enough where it went, into the hands of the money wranglers up the line from local dupes who entrusted it to dubious investment brokers. They just can't do a damned thing about it. I assure you from reliable sources, that our legal beagles have been trying...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 13:16:10 GMT -6
"Calling for a revolt is a something more "
No one called for a revolt............
"Moreover, all this ranting assumes the absence was not done for any good or permissible reason with full knowledge and approval."
There is no assumption of that at all.
You guys are like dealing with a bunch of nine year olds.
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Post by cardfan on Aug 24, 2016 14:05:27 GMT -6
I went out and bought a pitchfork for nothing!?? ;-)
Hopefully we'll suddenly have Zach Gunn and Jaylen Butz in the fold. That would do wonders.....
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