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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 5, 2019 14:20:45 GMT -6
This serves no purpose except increase the cost if BSU decides to fire him. Completely bewildering, like a lot of decisions this school makes. Wait a minute. The flip side is that we get a bigger buyout if he is hired away. This allows us to hire better. Of the two scenarios, firing seems a remote possibility. This gives him slightly more incentive to stay until a significantly better job comes along. I have to think he is excited to coach next years team, and to develop players like El-Amin and Acree. Still, I'd bet he is hired away sooner than we want, for a salary we cannot match. The good news is we will have good players up and down the roster, which will make a search easier, no big rebuild required. Here's a post that didn't age particularly well.
Halftime's quote, on the other hand, seems quite prophetic.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2019 15:08:13 GMT -6
Extensions are risky. Firing, and hiring again is risky. Which one gave them better odds at the time of success? Not a clear cut issue to me.
halftime's argument that the cost of firing is higher assumes they would fire him about now, recycle. But the program would NOT be as attractive as it is now after letting him die on the vine.
I think I was right that the program is more attractive to a good coach now, and in the near future, than it was when he was extended. Long run, whether Whitford leaves a failure or a success, are we going to hire a good replacement is the question I am addressing. I hope we try something different and make a commitment, pay well and hire a better coach. No more OJT.
Compete with Ohio and Akron and Kent and so on when you hire and you might be able to do it on the court.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 5, 2019 15:40:18 GMT -6
Wait, you forgot to tell us where that extra money is coming from. Since that's your whole strategy, I'm sure you can tell us where to get the increased salary money. Plus the buyout money....necessary due to the extension you supported. Or....or....maybe.......maybe, you just have no idea what you're talking about.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 5, 2019 17:25:20 GMT -6
Easier than putting the Sherman plan into action.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 5, 2019 18:00:03 GMT -6
Well your "outspend the competition" plan must not be all that easy since you continue to dodge the question of where you're going to get the necessary money.
Note that the Sherman plan will actually result in a savings. Unless we....you know....win the MAC championship. Then we would have to pay up some. I can live with that risk.
So, I'll ask again: Where are you going to get the money to out-spend everyone for your preferred coach?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2019 18:20:22 GMT -6
Gotta admit, when I opened up the basketball section and saw this thread pop up......I dropped my scotch.
Relief set in when I saw it was a 2017 retread.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 5, 2019 19:19:13 GMT -6
Gotta admit, when I opened up the basketball section and saw this thread pop up......I dropped my scotch. Relief set in when I saw it was a 2017 retread. I am sorry. I don't mind pissing people off, but I hate to be responsible for wasting scotch.
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Post by sweep on Feb 10, 2019 7:04:59 GMT -6
"I’m not in favor of any firing, but I will say that this is quite possibly the worst Xavier team I’ve seen in 37 years. If not the worst, they are certainly in the running. Terrible shooting. Even worse ball handling. Help defense is non-existent.
Lack of hustle and lack of fight. How in the world do they give up so many offensive rebounds and 2nd chance points? ....and I place that squarely on the shoulders of the coaching staff.
There wasn’t one good thing in that whole game that can built upon. How did they let it get this bad?
I’m not pissed because all I’ve invested is my time watching the games. But I’m really disappointed. It’s one thing to lose to better teams. It quite another to lose to lesser teams. Especially when there seems to be a total lack of effort. At least give us effort."
This is from the Xavier board describing another coach in the Sean Miller tree, Travis Steele. Sound Familiar................? Xavier has lost six in a row.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 10, 2019 8:22:17 GMT -6
This is from the Xavier board describing another coach in the Sean Miller tree, Travis Steele. Xavier has had a good run for years with Miller and is used to being top tier. They were expected to be down this year though. Whiney spoiled fans... Top 80. But at the bottom of one of a top conferences.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 10, 2019 8:29:11 GMT -6
Or maybe they observed some examples of programs that had a run of success, then showed too much tolerance for an underachieving coach, which lead to the erosion of their momentum, reduced the fanbase and eventually brought the program down to constant mediocrity and failure.
Know any examples like that?
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 10, 2019 9:16:33 GMT -6
Or maybe they observed some examples of programs that had a run of success, then showed too much tolerance for an underachieving coach, which lead to the erosion of their momentum, reduced the fanbase and eventually brought the program down to constant mediocrity and failure. The coach has been there one year. It was a year that was supposed to be down. What exactly did they expect this year?
Whiney fans. They are in a losing streak. Spoiled. I have no sympathy with them.
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Post by sweep on Feb 10, 2019 9:33:13 GMT -6
Or maybe they observed some examples of programs that had a run of success, then showed too much tolerance for an underachieving coach, which lead to the erosion of their momentum, reduced the fanbase and eventually brought the program down to constant mediocrity and failure. The coach has been there one year. It was a year that was supposed to be down. What exactly did they expect this year?
Whiney fans. They are in a losing streak. Spoiled. I have no sympathy with them.
Obviously they expected effort and fundamental play, both of which they don't seem to be getting under their new coach. I guess they aren't yet to the point of blaming "bad luck". Watch how fast Xavier unwinds this mess if they don't show significant on court improvement next season, and compare that with BSU's tolerance of bad looking basketball that doesn't produce meaningful results.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 10, 2019 10:14:31 GMT -6
I guess Xavier fans don’t see having a new coach as giving the team a pass for not having solid fundamentals and giving effort. There are expectations there. Just like a few of us on here, but not all, don’t give a SIXTH year coach a pass for his team lacking fundamentals and consistent effort.
Not as much about wins and losses but rather having your team play solid, sound basketball and just giving some damn effort. That is NOT whiny and unrealistic. Who anywhere wants to watch lazy, unmotivated slop?
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 10, 2019 10:23:24 GMT -6
I think coaching tree links can be tough to make sometimes. Is Steele a Miller protege or a Mack disciple? I think he probably had about the same exposure to Miller as he had with guys like Matta, Sampson and Lickliter. He certainly spent more time with Mack. Of course Mack coached under Miller but also with Prosser, so who knows how strong either link might be.
Either way, I am sympathetic to Xavier fans. Nothing wrong with high expectations. Xavier has had one season this bad in the past 30 years. That's included 5 coaching changes. I'm sure they've had expectations for "down" years in the past but that's never resulted a year like this. Why wouldn't they expect the new coach to step in win immediately. And if they're seeing lack off effort and poor fundamentals, that's got to really rub them wrong.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 10, 2019 12:05:14 GMT -6
The coach has been there one year. It was a year that was supposed to be down. What exactly did they expect this year?
Whiney fans. They are in a losing streak. Spoiled. I have no sympathy with them.
"spoiled" = used to success "whiney" = objecting to failure Well, BSU has basically followed your philosophy of tolerance of underperformance, and excuse-making. We see where that has led us. You're about the last person a fanbase should look to for advice. Maybe Xavier would rather stay relevant? Give 'em hell, Xavier fans. If you don't constantly agitate for high standards, you could end up with a comatose program and decades of failure. It can happen. Do NOT trust your administration and do NOT listen to the element of apologists in your midst. Look at BSU and be afraid. At one time, we were your peer.
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