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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2015 21:19:09 GMT -6
I never did see any valid excuses for not attending the games....Anyone?? Does anyone on the board actually go to the games?
I agree, Hoke will probably get a BCS job. Head coaching is about hiring good coaches and delegating and trusting those coaches. Hoke did that. Lembo???
I see 3-9. I hope I'm wrong.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Oct 23, 2015 22:47:42 GMT -6
Yes there are several of us that I know are at every game we can be
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Post by charlieone on Oct 24, 2015 3:22:25 GMT -6
I'm at all of the home games and most of the away games. How about you?
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Post by bsu65 on Oct 24, 2015 5:29:42 GMT -6
I have not missed a game in 5 years, and I will attend many games next year even though Jalen will not be playing.
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Post by universityjim on Oct 24, 2015 8:03:04 GMT -6
All home and most away. Only missed Texas A&M this season.
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 24, 2015 12:51:38 GMT -6
I never did see any valid excuses for not attending the games....Anyone?? Does anyone on the board actually go to the games? I agree, Hoke will probably get a BCS job. Head coaching is about hiring good coaches and delegating and trusting those coaches. Hoke did that. Lembo??? I see 3-9. I hope I'm wrong. What is this "valid excuse" about? Anybody with a life has conflicts and sometimes can't go to games, a few just can't go, period. Many people on the forum regularly go to games. I think the comments about Brady are missing the point. He fails at Michigan because that is a very tough job, and probably because he isn't quite as polished to deal with the external world, and maybe not quite as organized as he needed to be. There are lots of things Brady did well, but doing well at lower level schools and being a great high division 1 coach are two different things. His strengths did not match up to what it took. Great at BSU, not so good at Michigan. So what. He is a good coach. And the comparison to Pete is not really fair either. Pete lacks things he needs for a big time job, too. Both have good BSU records. They are strong in different ways. Brady took over with a mess on his hands, different mess than Pete, especially recruiting since the previous coach was restricted much more in budget. Brady changed that recruiting thing, pushed for money to recruit, and he had another thing needed at a downtrodden program, he could motivate players and make them believe. And still it took a few years to recover. He did far less IMHO out West, where he went to a place much more ready to win. Pete took over with a Program that was mismanaged and disorganized. He fixed that, recovered more quickly than Brady did. But he started with more talent. Both guys, with completely different personalities, fit BSU, and relate to the fans and community. Pete probably fits with the Administration and faculty better. Both guys came to BSU with desire to move up the ladder. Brady did not succeed here primarily because of any management difference from Pete. The two guys succeed for different reasons. I think he did find and hire better assistants (some of that is good contacts, some good judgment, and and just good luck). He had a good staff for this level. But, when that happens its fairly easy to trust them more! So, I am not so sure that we can ding Lembo as a control freak or anything like that. In fact, it is probably just as fair criticism of Brady (especially later on at Michigan) that he needed great assistants, and he did not have good enough staff. And, he maybe needed a better staff there because he had some weaknesses! I don't think either have everything needed to coach at a powerhouse, pressure cooker, high visibility program like Michigan. |
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Post by cedarpointer on Oct 24, 2015 16:29:30 GMT -6
I don't think I joined the old BSUfans until 2004-2005ish.. I don't remember where I stood on the Hoke situation. I think once he got the pieces in place (coaching, talent, scheduling) he did a great job keeping things in perspective.
I was always sympathetic to Hoke in the mid 2000s.. The OOC scheduling was brutal.
Boston College x 2
Purdue x2
Missou x2
Iowa
Auburn
Pitt
Indiana
Michigan
Illinois
Navy
Nebraska
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2015 12:13:09 GMT -6
Props to all of you who showed up in nasty weather yesterday. Your loyalty was once again tested by weak coaching decisions...again.
WR sweep at crunch time? Are you kidding me?
The bring Brady back was tongue in cheek but my underlying theme is this. We have good past players that have experienced quality coaching at the highest levels that are currently coaching somewhere.I would think they have learned a thing or two. That is who we should target for the next HC. One of the comments I have read which appears to be right on is that Lembo lost some passion when he was passed up by BCS schools. In my opinion, he has been a part timer since day one, looking for another opportunity. I realize the MAC is usually a stepping stone, but someone with roots and actual passion for Ball State for the long haul (or longer than 3-5 years)is what we need. I'm tired of listening to him talk about how other MAC schools have superior programs. If you listen to him talk about Northern Illinois you would think he was on the payroll. He is 1-6? against our rival? Maybe he is. What this accomplishes is making recruits question BSU and look at other opportunities.
I wish I was wrong. We should have won that game yesterday but didn't because of poor coaching again.
Any other recommendations? Lembo is not the answer..
Keep it in the family.
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Post by redbirdman on Oct 25, 2015 14:26:53 GMT -6
I think we should accept the fact that Pete Lembo is not leaving even if we finish 2-10 this season. I do not feel he is a horrible coach however he has not done a good job in replacing the staff that left him. He needs to make changes with the staff. I find his record to this point to be very similar to Cubit's at WMU. I think Cubit did a good job there and got fired quickly because they leveled off and he had not won a bowl game or a championship. His last three years 6-6, 7-6 and then 4-8. He had winning seasons 6 of 8 years overall 51-47. He was 36-27 in MAC 57%. Lembo to date is 22-14 61% in the MAC and overall 32-26. If we are a 500 team next year and then 8-4 in 17 is that good enough if we don't win a championship or bowl. Lets also say he beats IU again in that. My reviews on coaching always come down to money and in the MAC if attendance and interest drops off they are gone. I think that is what cost Cubit his job and feel that is what Pete now faces. My conclusion is that unless he can get the attendance and the interest up he is doomed even if 500 or above the next two years. This assumes no bowl wins or division titles. What is your opinion?
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Post by oldcardfan on Oct 29, 2015 12:09:42 GMT -6
I don't think I joined the old BSUfans until 2004-2005ish.. I don't remember where I stood on the Hoke situation. I think once he got the pieces in place (coaching, talent, scheduling) he did a great job keeping things in perspective. I was always sympathetic to Hoke in the mid 2000s.. The OOC scheduling was brutal. Boston College x 2 Purdue x2 Missou x2 Iowa Auburn Pitt Indiana Michigan Illinois Navy Nebraska Um. Why do you have Indiana on the list of brutal? |
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Post by 00hmh on Oct 29, 2015 18:51:52 GMT -6
Why do you have Indiana on the list of brutal? I get the question, but IU has amazing resources compared to BSU. So even when they are failing they have enough to beat us unless we play our best. Beating IU is a good win for a MAC school, especially at their place or a so called "neutral" site where the alumni base, ticket sales, media coverage, maybe even the student attendance is 4 or 5 to 1 our size in Indy. |
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Post by cardfan on Oct 29, 2015 19:32:17 GMT -6
It's a good thing we beat iu when we did the last few years because they are much more talented and athletic and we are now.
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 30, 2015 10:38:41 GMT -6
Brady Hoke's name is coming up for the Minnesota job. He is not returning to BSU, ''Been there, done that''.
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Post by cardfan on Oct 30, 2015 13:03:55 GMT -6
Brady Hoke's name is coming up for the Minnesota job. He is not returning to BSU, ''Been there, done that''. Yeah, but so are Pete Lembo, PJ Fleck, Rod Carey, Matt Campbell, etc. |
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Post by bsu0 on Oct 30, 2015 13:14:23 GMT -6
He is not comin' back. According to what I read, Hoke talked with Minnesota about the job when Kill got it. There are people on campus that like Brady. That is why his name is in the mix.
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