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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 29, 2019 21:48:02 GMT -6
Just got in. Gathering that we lost. 2-6 in conference. Extrapolating that out to end of season says we should finish 5-13. Was that EVEN a choice in the conference poll? Not even the most Negative of posters saw this coming. I want to say we can at least fix it enough to maybe make a run but I just do not see how.
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Post by chirpchirpcards on Jan 29, 2019 22:05:14 GMT -6
Just got in. Gathering that we lost. 2-6 in conference. Extrapolating that out to end of season says we should finish 5-13. Was that EVEN a choice in the conference poll? Not even the most Negative of posters saw this coming. I want to say we can at least fix it enough to maybe make a run but I just do not see how. Make a run at what, 5th place in the MAC West instead of 6th?
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 29, 2019 22:29:23 GMT -6
This team seems to have quit! But, if they decided to compete and we had all hands on deck we could make a run but I don’t see the grit or will to win.
We suck until proven different
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 29, 2019 22:43:19 GMT -6
Not even the most Negative of posters saw this coming. I want to say we can at least fix it enough to maybe make a run but I just do not see how. Make a run at what, 5th place in the MAC West instead of 6th? I dont know, anything would be a nice. A couple wins who knows something better than these last 6 games. Any hopes of competing for anything real seem long gone.
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Post by cardsfan606 on Jan 29, 2019 23:00:35 GMT -6
Blake Huggins is tougher kid than Moses! doesn’t take much
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Post by gocards17 on Jan 29, 2019 23:22:48 GMT -6
Blake Huggins is tougher kid than Moses! doesn’t take much My son is injured and you guys challenge his toughness. Why not do this, I'll meet you for lunch or dinner and we can discuss his toughness over a nice hot meal.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2019 0:00:44 GMT -6
My son is injured and you guys challenge his toughness. Why not do this, I'll meet you for lunch or dinner and we can discuss his toughness over a nice hot meal. Your post is understandable and probably justified; unfortunately, losing seems to bring out the worst in everyone, especially on message boards. Thinking back over past postings, in general, Trey Moses has been held in high regard and his character has been held in high respect and admiration. In terms of toughness, etc., I am in no position to pass judgement nor will I attempt to do so. I hope Trey is able to recover quickly and return to play soon. Peace be with you.
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Post by lmills72 on Jan 30, 2019 0:03:46 GMT -6
I thought this was probably best placed under the "Whitford Performance" thread, but Rob has moved that in such a delightful direction I didn't want to sully it with talk of Ball State basketball. So, some thoughts that have been percolating ...
1. Has Whitford checked out? I've certainly gotten the impression that he would have bolted after the past couple of seasons if he had the chance, but maybe he was pointing toward this year, which seemed like it might be a good one. Now that it's turned the other direction and he's seen any hope of moving on and up wither and die, is he just coaching out the string? If so, I guess it might not be a bad thing. If he wants out of Muncie bad enough, he might just be willing to leave on his own. With his contacts, I'm sure he could still manage an assistant job at a bigger program. Actually might be the best way for him to have a hope of reviving his coaching reputation since the roster for next year isn't immediately inspiring. 2. How much do we miss Peters and Thornton? I've never thought a head coach had to do it all as long as he surrounded himself with a staff that could fill in where he was weak. Perhaps Botts and Crenshaw have not done a good job of filling the shoes of our departed assistants. 3. Why did we recruit KJ Walton? That is ... why did we recruit KJ Walton if we're not going to use his talents. OK, he's got issues, I know, but he should be a nightmare for most MAC teams. But from the little I've seen we don't seem to do anything to take advantage of his specific skills. If it's not him driving on his own, or making a steal, getting a rebound or getting out on the break, he really gets nothing from the coaching staff. It's like telling Tom Brady to just hand the damn ball off to the RB every play. 4. Are Persons and Moses going to be the latest in line of Whitford coached seniors to have disappointing senior campaigns? Moses' stats are down slightly from last year and Persons is actually about the same as last year except for his horrid assist/turnover ratio in conference play, so it's not like they've become the Jeremiah Davis, Jeremie Tyler or Francis Kiapway of this year, but ... even guys like Sellers, Weber and House seemed to struggle a lot as seniors. Why aren't our guys playing their best ball in their final season? Even if you say Persons' stats are similar to last year, he clearly does not seem to be the player he was last year. He certainly doesn't appear to have become the on-the-floor leader this team needs. 5. The more I watch this team, the more convinced I become that the main problem is still the coach. Yes, we do not have the athletes Buffalo has but we do not lack ability. It's just not handled correctly. Teague is grossly misused. I think Persons and Moses could be vastly better with a coach who maybe demanded some different styles of play. I've already mentioned Walton. And tonight we see that possibly Huggins has been wasted on the bench for most of the season. I'm not suggesting he should be starting but for him to have played more than 10 minutes in a game only twice this year ... especially in the games since Hazen has been out ... is just freakin' crazy. The kid is gonna make some bad plays, but it's not like he's not worthy of 10-15 minutes a game.
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Post by williamtsherman on Jan 30, 2019 7:31:46 GMT -6
My son is injured and you guys challenge his toughness. Why not do this, I'll meet you for lunch or dinner and we can discuss his toughness over a nice hot meal. You have correctly intuited that, in an actual real life, face-to-face meeting, people from this board would act, speak and think much differently than they do here. Not because of hypocrisy, but because this board is a place of venting, joking, hyperbole and half-informed speculation, and people use it for these things as a pastime.
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Post by redbirdman on Jan 30, 2019 8:57:28 GMT -6
I just stated no coach has been here over 7 years since we joined MAC. Whit should go he is past his peak. Furthermore we should hire coaches in the future telling them you get five yrs that is it because if your good you will leave if your not we will fire you. Remember this is the MAC we can not pay enough to keep a good coach.
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Post by cardfan on Jan 30, 2019 9:19:46 GMT -6
I thought this was probably best placed under the "Whitford Performance" thread, but Rob has moved that in such a delightful direction I didn't want to sully it with talk of Ball State basketball. So, some thoughts that have been percolating ... 1. Has Whitford checked out? I've certainly gotten the impression that he would have bolted after the past couple of seasons if he had the chance, but maybe he was pointing toward this year, which seemed like it might be a good one. Now that it's turned the other direction and he's seen any hope of moving on and up wither and die, is he just coaching out the string? If so, I guess it might not be a bad thing. If he wants out of Muncie bad enough, he might just be willing to leave on his own. With his contacts, I'm sure he could still manage an assistant job at a bigger program. Actually might be the best way for him to have a hope of reviving his coaching reputation since the roster for next year isn't immediately inspiring. 2. How much do we miss Peters and Thornton? I've never thought a head coach had to do it all as long as he surrounded himself with a staff that could fill in where he was weak. Perhaps Botts and Crenshaw have not done a good job of filling the shoes of our departed assistants. 3. Why did we recruit KJ Walton? That is ... why did we recruit KJ Walton if we're not going to use his talents. OK, he's got issues, I know, but he should be a nightmare for most MAC teams. But from the little I've seen we don't seem to do anything to take advantage of his specific skills. If it's not him driving on his own, or making a steal, getting a rebound or getting out on the break, he really gets nothing from the coaching staff. It's like telling Tom Brady to just hand the damn ball off to the RB every play. 4. Are Persons and Moses going to be the latest in line of Whitford coached seniors to have disappointing senior campaigns? Moses' stats are down slightly from last year and Persons is actually about the same as last year except for his horrid assist/turnover ratio in conference play, so it's not like they've become the Jeremiah Davis, Jeremie Tyler or Francis Kiapway of this year, but ... even guys like Sellers, Weber and House seemed to struggle a lot as seniors. Why aren't our guys playing their best ball in their final season? Even if you say Persons' stats are similar to last year, he clearly does not seem to be the player he was last year. He certainly doesn't appear to have become the on-the-floor leader this team needs. 5. The more I watch this team, the more convinced I become that the main problem is still the coach. Yes, we do not have the athletes Buffalo has but we do not lack ability. It's just not handled correctly. Teague is grossly misused. I think Persons and Moses could be vastly better with a coach who maybe demanded some different styles of play. I've already mentioned Walton. And tonight we see that possibly Huggins has been wasted on the bench for most of the season. I'm not suggesting he should be starting but for him to have played more than 10 minutes in a game only twice this year ... especially in the games since Hazen has been out ... is just freakin' crazy. The kid is gonna make some bad plays, but it's not like he's not worthy of 10-15 minutes a game. All exactly spot on, with the questions many of us have been asking. On top of those questions I have ask what, in general has Whits recruiting philosophy been, and how has it related to his philosophy of how he wants to play? That is, has he mismatched talented to style? (To me It sure seems so). As you pointed out he got Walton, but then seems to have no idea how to maximize his skill set. Or even worse, chooses not to run a system that maximizes it. In which case, yeah, why even recruit him. We just have so many pieces limited by some flaw, can’t shoot or can’t dribble or not quick enough or not athletic enough or too passive, etc. I think most of us have understood for Whits entire tenure that our roster has always lacked a completeness and balance and that what we do have seems misfitted for how he wants to play. And further he’s been resistant to adaptation and change. He doesn’t adjust he just keeps ploughing ahead with the same stuff and we end up in the same place every season. Square pegs round holes that have some initial success and we feel good and then the wheels come off.
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Post by thebsukid on Jan 30, 2019 9:20:47 GMT -6
Trey is a tremendous kid and an asset. I have been a strong supporter of him and this team but he plays a bit soft at times. That’s not meant to be a knock on him as a person. Reminds me a bit of another center we had who’s now playing pretty darn well in Europe.
I wish Trey nothing but the best and a fast recovery.
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Post by CallingBS on Jan 30, 2019 9:36:32 GMT -6
You’re never as bad as your worst performance or as good as your best, it’s somewhere in between. Tough times don’t last, tough teams do. We played the right way. Trust the process. We’ll be fine. We just have to win as many as we can until Ish and Brachen come back. These are all actual quotes since the conference season started. There will be more horsesh*t fluff like this before this one comes to a merciful end. We were embarrassed tonight and if this doesn’t get the attention of our recently minted AD then nothing will. Calling this effort and gameplan pathetic is an insult to pathetic. I particularly loved this gem from last night's story: "I thought we defended well enough most of the game."
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 30, 2019 9:59:45 GMT -6
You’re never as bad as your worst performance or as good as your best, it’s somewhere in between. Tough times don’t last, tough teams do. We played the right way. Trust the process. We’ll be fine. We just have to win as many as we can until Ish and Brachen come back. These are all actual quotes since the conference season started. There will be more horsesh*t fluff like this before this one comes to a merciful end. We were embarrassed tonight and if this doesn’t get the attention of our recently minted AD then nothing will. Calling this effort and gameplan pathetic is an insult to pathetic. I particularly loved this gem from last night's story: "I thought we defended well enough most of the game."
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Post by rmcalhoun on Jan 30, 2019 10:01:45 GMT -6
I particularly loved this gem from last night's story: "I thought we defended well enough most of the game." Well enough, Thats nice. Had Buffalo hit any of their wide open threes. We would have lost by 25. None of this game is a shock though we knew this one coming
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