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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 4, 2019 15:42:17 GMT -6
You guys are stuck on the money, and with the idea of looking at the same pool we always have...the same pool everyone else looks at. You want someone with some head coaching experience...like Billy Taylor. Or if not that, an assistant from a higher level successful program....like James Whitford.
That pool is of limited size and EVERYONE is hiring from it. Supply and demand are what make higher salaries necessary to hire the better choices from that pool.
Playing that game had got us what? 18 years of SHIT. How much worse can it get?
The great coaches of the next generation are out there. They are currently in obscure assistant jobs here and there, but their minds are bursting with good, new ideas. Find them. They don't want much money and security, they want OPPORTUNITY. 50% of the lowest current MAC coaching salary would seem like a fortune to them. Open your minds.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 15:47:40 GMT -6
Unfortunately, while no doubt good coaches may in fact seek the mediocre job, so will a lot more who look just like them. And the good jobs they will seek too.
I don't like our odds if we don't look at a better applicant pool.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 4, 2019 15:51:21 GMT -6
You guys are stuck on the money, and with the idea of looking at the same pool we always have...the same pool everyone else looks at. You want someone with some head coaching experience...like Billy Taylor. Or if not that, an assistant from a higher level successful program....like James Whitford.
That pool is of limited size and EVERYONE is hiring from it. Supply and demand are what make higher salaries necessary to hire the better choices from that pool.
Playing that game had got us what? 18 years of SHIT. How much worse can it get?
The great coaches of the next generation are out there. They are currently in obscure assistant jobs here and there, but their minds are bursting with good, new ideas. Find them. They don't want much money and security, they want OPPORTUNITY. 50% of the lowest current MAC coaching salary would seem like a fortune to them. Open your minds.
This risk taking sherm kinda surprises me but I think your right. These guys are out there but you may have to hit the well every couple years to strike oil. Which in turn would mean continued losing until you get Beverly Hillbilly's. I guess thats no different than the last 18 years. The added benefit though is we would have the opportunity about new beginnings every coulple years instead of six
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 4, 2019 15:54:09 GMT -6
"Unfortunately, while no doubt good coaches may in fact seek the mediocre job, so will a lot more who look just like them. And the good jobs they will seek too. I don't like our odds if we don't look at a better applicant pool."
Brad Stevens would have ended up back at Lilly, if your hidebound way of thinking had prevailed.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 4, 2019 16:00:33 GMT -6
The critical factor is being willing to fire. It doesn't matter how much we are paying the coach if we are afraid to fire someone getting 20 wins even if they don't win the important games. If Sandy had fired Whit after year 4 and replaced him with someone worse he would have looked like the idiot who fired a 20-win coach and replaced him with a loser. A firing in year 4 would have meant taking heat from Whit's supporters.
It's much easier to wait for the eventual collapse and fire when everyone's on board.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 4, 2019 16:07:35 GMT -6
The critical factor is being willing to fire. It doesn't matter how much we are paying the coach if we are afraid to fire someone getting 20 wins even if they don't win the important games. If Sandy had fired Whit after year 4 and replaced him with someone worse he would have looked like the idiot who fired a 20-win coach and replaced him with a loser. A firing in year 4 would have meant taking heat from Whit's supporters. It's much easier to wait for the eventual collapse and fire when everyone's on board. That's how you end up with an average attendance of 2500.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 17:19:29 GMT -6
"Unfortunately, while no doubt good coaches may in fact seek the mediocre job, so will a lot more who look just like them. And the good jobs they will seek too. I don't like our odds if we don't look at a better applicant pool."
Brad Stevens would have ended up back at Lilly, if your hidebound way of thinking had prevailed. And Ronnie Thompson somewhere else...
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 4, 2019 17:23:21 GMT -6
Opinion No. 1: Our current coach is satisfactory/possibly better than satisfactory and there's no need to make a change.
Opinion No. 2: We cannot attract or hire a satisfactory coach given our inadequate compensation package and the general unattractiveness of the job.
You'd think a person holding these two conflicting opinions would explode.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2019 17:27:04 GMT -6
I’m hoping the AD hire is the key to ALL of this. I’ll probably be proven wrong but I’m optimistic that she is a climber and a smart manager. Oh, you insiders.....tell me I’m wrong.
I can’t fault the “punt” on Neu, given just 3 years into Sandy’s hire. It will be telling, based on 2019 football results, how she handles football staff.
Whit is going to be a tough one. If we continue to auger into the ground, will she be handcuffed to Sandy’s extension? I believe so. Would love to see some tough words directed at the program and not just the “Neu Speech”.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 17:42:22 GMT -6
Opinion No. 1: Our current coach is satisfactory/possibly better than satisfactory and there's no need to make a change. Opinion No. 2: We cannot attract or hire a satisfactory coach given our inadequate compensation package and the general unattractiveness of the job. You'd think a person holding these two conflicting opinions would explode. Wait. I think the issue is "satisfactory." Most want an excellent coach, top 3 in MAC. If all you want is satisfactory, I'll avoid having my head explode easily.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 17:43:09 GMT -6
If you want top 3, be prepared to pay.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 4, 2019 18:22:22 GMT -6
If you want top 3, be prepared to pay. You keep saying this and maybe your right. What do you want though no bullshit. Are you happy with us just being ok. Are you happy with where we are. Take everything out of it and without any bs or excuses and tell us are you happy
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 18:42:42 GMT -6
If you want top 3, be prepared to pay. You keep saying this and maybe your right. What do you want though no bullshit. Are you happy with us just being ok. Are you happy with where we are. Take everything out of it and without any bs or excuses and tell us are you happy Goal is to be at the top of the MAC. Not happy where we are.
OTOH, I was reasonably happy after the Toledo game, thought we'd end up in top 3, and in a year without a top 30 team would have the kind of chances in the MAC tourney I want. The big problem this year is injury not coaching.
I have no illusion, we hired a coach who needed OJT and that was going to be a problem when he takes over a program that was in the dump.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 4, 2019 19:01:30 GMT -6
Most of us were reasonably happy after the Toledo game. Most of us also knew the wheels would come off at some point because they do every year. And they did, just earlier than we expected. But they were going to come off sooner or later, injuries or not.
A good coach extracts everything the players they have available have. Whitford hasn’t done that at any point other than the middle of last year. And then it went away. None of his starters were hurt until a couple games ago. And we still couldn’t win but two Mac games with all our starters, 4 of which are some level of all Mac team quality.
A truly good bench/game coach would prepare his team better, alter the style of play to best suit the hand he has, have them scrapping for everything, and playing as fundamentally sound as possible knowing they needed to reduce beating themselves because they know they can’t afford slop. Yet all we have is slop and no discernible adjustments to how we do things. Yeah, we fought hard in the Kent game but still made far too many mistakes to win.
Year 6 is no longer on the job training. You either have it down by now or you’ll never have it. Whitford has had time and enough talent on his teams to prove something. At this point it looks like the team that won two games and should have won a 3rd in the whateveritwas post season tourney was his best team. (But not his most talented). And even that team collapsed at the end of the season and played its way out of a top two or 3 seed. And then lost at home to a horrible Miami team in the Mac play in game. See a theme here? But we had high hopes by then and it just didn’t come to fruition. 6 years in whit is what he is, regardless of whatever excuses are thrown out there. It’s not going to vary much from that year to year.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 4, 2019 19:22:58 GMT -6
I’m hoping the AD hire is the key to ALL of this. I’ll probably be proven wrong but I’m optimistic that she is a climber and a smart manager. Oh, you insiders.....tell me I’m wrong. I can’t fault the “punt” on Neu, given just 3 years into Sandy’s hire. It will be telling, based on 2019 football results, how she handles football staff. Whit is going to be a tough one. If we continue to auger into the ground, will she be handcuffed to Sandy’s extension? I believe so. Would love to see some tough words directed at the program and not just the “Neu Speech”. All I can tell you about the AD is she does has some spit and fire to her. She is engaged at games.. She is actually at every game and makes her presence known. She takes notes she gives evil stares. Now can she do anything other than that I have no clue
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