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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 18:18:17 GMT -6
Nobody can argue that turnovers made the difference in the game. You think maybe having some key people on that roster benched by injury had just a little to do with that? In short, no. Ish has historically been a high-turnover player. Turnovers came in part not due to the ball handler alone. Playing guys out if position means mistakes. Fatigue means mistakes. Ish would have helped our offense, but Hazen, Trey out was a bigger factor. Minutes with unfamiliar line ups was a factor.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 3, 2019 18:26:06 GMT -6
Every year it’s something.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 3, 2019 18:29:21 GMT -6
In short, no. Ish has historically been a high-turnover player. Turnovers came in part not due to the ball handler alone. Playing guys out if position means mistakes. Fatigue means mistakes. Ish would have helped our offense, but Hazen, Trey out was a bigger factor. Minutes with unfamiliar line ups was a factor. You really are amazingly on point and resilient. 100% wrong, but consistent. We make mistakes because we are poorly coached and recruiting is woefully inadequate. Fundamentals and accountability are not a part of the Whitford "process".
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2019 19:16:00 GMT -6
In short, no. Ish has historically been a high-turnover player. Turnovers came in part not due to the ball handler alone. Playing guys out if position means mistakes. Fatigue means mistakes. Ish would have helped our offense, but Hazen, Trey out was a bigger factor. Minutes with unfamiliar line ups was a factor. Dude, Moses is a turnover machine for a big guy. WTF are you talking about ? He is averaging 3.4 turnovers per forty minutes played, the second highest on the team.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 19:19:46 GMT -6
You see. In BB there is this thing called team where changing personnel can cause trouble by changing what you usually do...
It's not inividual stats. Who is the better center for how the offense is designed this year?
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2019 19:24:28 GMT -6
You see. In BB there is this thing called team where changing personnel can cause trouble by changing what you usually do... It's not inividual stats. Who is the better center for how the offense is designed this year? You are an idiot we were averaging sixteen turnovers a game in conference, and committed twenty, that's hardly an aberrant number. Do us all a favor and pull your head out of your ass.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 3, 2019 19:46:06 GMT -6
I think Whitford expects high standards. But my original objection was to the idea that I thought the statement implied of other things not stated. You can make an employee miserable and get away with it in ways I will not countenance. Clear standards of on court performance, that's something I am very comfortable with. The standards should not be necessarily what fans set with memories of dominating the MAC think about though. That I think is just not reality. But insisting we play near the top of the MAC, even win more than our share of championships, that seems quite reasonable. And when looking at results, unlike fans, an AD will consider factors like an unusual injury or other factor our forum might derisively call "excuses." Whether you call it explanation or excuse, some excuses are good excuses. Whitford should at this point have those high expectations. I believe he does. I do love it that employers are expected to honor contracts. In general, that's a good thing and happens frequently. Many fired coaches receive very nice severance packages after underperforming each year. Wouldn't it be wonderful if coaches also would honor their word? If a coach such as Whitford were to say: "In six years I have not been able to field the type of team I promised when I was interviewed (and if you think Whitford's vision included this in year six you're freakin' bonkers) and, as a result, I am stepping down." Surely you remember the last time that happened. No? Probably because it never does. And when looking at results, unlike some fans, I would hope that an AD would consider what might be legitimate excuses vs. what are questionable decisions that create the need for excuses. For instance, one year of injuries to some top bench players might be one thing. Repeated years of poor roster management, devoting scholarships to players who cannot play and thus intentionally shortening your bench, is another. Yes, one year of injuries leaving you shorthanded is one thing. Repeated years of injuries/suspensions for domestic violence/suspensions for violation of team rules/not playing experienced players for unknown reasons, all leaving you shorthanded ... that's a trend a coach should be held accountable for. Whitford has high expectations, you say? If he truly has high expectations, his only logical decision after this year is to stop taking the university's money.
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Post by realitycheck on Feb 3, 2019 22:34:48 GMT -6
"Living hell" is open to a wide variety of interpretations. Obviously, you've taken a very literal interpretation. Others have interpreted it as assigning a person to a desk with no duties. For someone who has drive and respect for themselves, that might metaphorically qualify as a "living hell." I think Whitford expects high standards. But my original objection was to the idea that I thought the statement implied of other things not stated. You can make an employee miserable and get away with it in ways I will not countenance. Clear standards of on court performance, that's something I am very comfortable with. The standards should not be necessarily what fans set with memories of dominating the MAC think about though. That I think is just not reality. But insisting we play near the top of the MAC, even win more than our share of championships, that seems quite reasonable. And when looking at results, unlike fans, an AD will consider factors like an unusual injury or other factor our forum might derisively call "excuses." Whether you call it explanation or excuse, some excuses are good excuses. Whitford should at this point have those high expectations. I believe he does. I’m not sure if you were also drinking during this post but I have no idea what the hell most of this even means. The standards should be very simple if I’m the AD. Build a championship program and don’t get in trouble. Do it in less than five years. Ready, set, go. The vast majority of the fans I talk with and it’s a good number of season ticket holders and donors are sick of this crap. The attendance and lack of interest speak volumes. I hope our new AD who didn’t hire this coach will note his mediocre results and lack of community connection when evaluating his status. Recruiters recruit.
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 3, 2019 22:47:57 GMT -6
I think Whitford expects high standards. But my original objection was to the idea that I thought the statement implied of other things not stated. You can make an employee miserable and get away with it in ways I will not countenance. Clear standards of on court performance, that's something I am very comfortable with. The standards should not be necessarily what fans set with memories of dominating the MAC think about though. That I think is just not reality. But insisting we play near the top of the MAC, even win more than our share of championships, that seems quite reasonable. And when looking at results, unlike fans, an AD will consider factors like an unusual injury or other factor our forum might derisively call "excuses." Whether you call it explanation or excuse, some excuses are good excuses. Whitford should at this point have those high expectations. I believe he does. I’m not sure if you were also drinking during this post but I have no idea what the hell most of this even means. The standards should be very simple if I’m the AD. Build a championship program and don’t get in trouble. Do it in less than five years. Ready, set, go. The vast majority of the fans I talk with and it’s a good number of season ticket holders and donors are sick of this crap. The attendance and lack of interest speak volumes. I hope our new AD who didn’t hire this coach will note his mediocre results and lack of community connection when evaluating his status. Recruiters recruit. <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="9.960000000000036" style="position: absolute; width: 22.960000000000036px; height: 9.960000000000036px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_21132110" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="9.960000000000036" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 9.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1089px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_27624408" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="9.960000000000036" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 9.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 433px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_76978620" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="22.960000000000036" height="9.960000000000036" style="position: absolute; width: 22.96px; height: 9.96px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1089px; top: 433px;" id="MoatPxIOPT1_71117057" scrolling="no"></iframe> Amen.
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Post by david75bsu on Feb 4, 2019 8:07:30 GMT -6
proctorp, I am glad you admitted that you had a few drinks before you wrote you hoped the AD would ask Whit to resign. Why would he resign? Why would he throw the better part of $1.5 million away? Where else would he get that kind of jack? We are stuck with him since the AD fell for the ''look at my twenty wins'' line and extended his contract.. He doesn't give a sh*t about Ball State except for what he can squeeze out of the treasury (along with many other coaches at many schools). Unless he loses his mind and pulls a Lembo, sneaking out of town three days before the biggest holiday of the year he is not going anywhere...And once again, I hope I am wrong and he resigns of his own accord. I have a hard time with comments like these. Anyone who thinks Whit doesn’t care doesn’t understand leadership. You always care, you always want to win. He may have made mistakes, but we all make mistakes. I don’t like where we are at, don’t like having to have three guys sit on the bench waiting for next year, nor three guys injuried. The team fought hard versus a good Kent team, even being short handed and some bad calls. IMO, the shortage of players is the main reason we have the record we have. Wish it were different, but it ain’t! If we could get players back, we could have a good tournament run. If we keep everybody next year, we will be all right. I should say say I was a big fan of Randy, he had a bum coach. Luke B. Seems to be a better and stronger player than Randy. How the coach uses his abilities will have a lot to say for his contribution next year.
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Post by JacksonStreetElite on Feb 4, 2019 8:21:26 GMT -6
Every year it’s something. And we're lucky for it. Can you imagine how depressing it would be if the reason we lost was just because we were bad?
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 4, 2019 8:30:41 GMT -6
And what would be a great way to "make working for BSU as a coach" be good? Pay well by MAC standards. Pay for staff. Give good coaches a chance to win if you want winning. (We have mismanaged coaches and mismanaged hiring coaches, making these mistakes repeatedly.) If you do all that you should do to attract a coach and it doesn't work out, and then are going to fire a coach, you honor the contract which calls for a buyout. Not, instead "make his job living hell" and try to force him to resign.
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Post by sweep on Feb 4, 2019 8:48:56 GMT -6
And what would be a great way to "make working for BSU as a coach" be good? Give good coaches a chance to win if you want winning. No idea what that is supposed to mean........................
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Post by sweep on Feb 4, 2019 8:49:56 GMT -6
And what would be a great way to "make working for BSU as a coach" be good? Pay well by MAC standards. Ummmmmmmmm...................Our coaches are free to leave if they get better offers.
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Post by cardfan on Feb 4, 2019 8:56:31 GMT -6
I guess we don’t want winning?
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