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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 13:05:55 GMT -6
proctorp, I am glad you admitted that you had a few drinks before you wrote you hoped the AD would ask Whit to resign. Why would he resign? Why would he throw the better part of $1.5 million away? Where else would he get that kind of jack? We are stuck with him since the AD fell for the ''look at my twenty wins'' line and extended his contract.. It's quite an art and not one many people have skill in but there are ways to make an employee's life a living hell without actually breaking any laws. I'm not sure Whitford's personality would respond well to tactics like this. If Goetz is proficient in such tactics, he might leave of his own accord. Not sure this is a great way to make working for BSU as a coach a really attractive offer.
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Post by proctorp on Feb 3, 2019 13:10:20 GMT -6
And what would be a great way to "make working for BSU as a coach" be good? And yes folks, I was drinking a bit too much Crown last night but I am still convinced Whit needs to go now more than ever!
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Post by bsu0 on Feb 3, 2019 13:24:39 GMT -6
PROCTORP, there is absolutely nothing wrong with stickin' your head in the ''Purple Bag'' once in a while
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Post by cardfan on Feb 3, 2019 13:36:25 GMT -6
Seems that if coaches know bsu is apt to extend and reluctantly fire that the job would be somewhat attractive.
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 3, 2019 14:20:31 GMT -6
It's quite an art and not one many people have skill in but there are ways to make an employee's life a living hell without actually breaking any laws. I'm not sure Whitford's personality would respond well to tactics like this. If Goetz is proficient in such tactics, he might leave of his own accord. Not sure this is a great way to make working for BSU as a coach a really attractive offer. Yeah, that might scare away all the shitty coaches looking for an cushy job where mediocre results are rewarded. What a loss that would be?
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2019 14:23:53 GMT -6
Everything about James Whitford from his degree in Sports Studies, to his game prep, to his recruiting effort, to his coaching style, to his community and alumni engagement all scream one thing THIS GUY IS LAZY.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 14:35:06 GMT -6
Not sure this is a great way to make working for BSU as a coach a really attractive offer. Yeah, that might scare away all the shitty coaches looking for an cushy job where mediocre results are rewarded. What a loss that would be? Yeah right. All the great coaches would much rather work someplace where you can't trust the contract they give you. With other better jobs to choose from that's going to be a big plus for BSU.
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Post by sweep on Feb 3, 2019 14:41:52 GMT -6
Yeah, that might scare away all the shitty coaches looking for an cushy job where mediocre results are rewarded. What a loss that would be? Yeah right. All the great coaches would much rather work someplace where you can't trust the contract they give you. With other better jobs to choose from that's going to be a big plus for BSU. Of course 00 has never hired a single person in his entire career. So you know he is an expert at employment dynamics. There are way more coaches than there are D1 opportunities, and buyouts are negotiated all the time, so I am not sure what you think the big deal is.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 15:11:33 GMT -6
Yeah right. All the great coaches would much rather work someplace where you can't trust the contract they give you. With other better jobs to choose from that's going to be a big plus for BSU. Of course 00 has never hired a single person in his entire career. Since that's untrue...
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Post by Hoopsmith on Feb 3, 2019 15:17:12 GMT -6
The three by KJ to end regulation was unreal. Losing Teague to fouls, I thought would be the end of the game. The team did show fight to stay in the game, tie it, almost win it. There were some real bad no calls by the refs, is it just me or does the MAC not want to see a successful Ball Stater program? We seem to almost always be at the.opposite end of the foul calls. However, the turnover at the end of the game should never have happened. The steps by Kent should never have allowed the winning basket. Sad. I don't seriously believe the conference has stacked the deck against BSU, but I agree we sometimes get the short end of the stick from admin decisions to judgement calls. Our turnovers cost us the game and the bad calls at the end cost us a chance to steal it back. I do know this: The official MAC twitter feed pushed out Kent's winning play and it ended up number one on the Sportscenter Top 10. I don't believe the league's PR arm ( ) wpuld do the same for Ball State, and it would raise holy hell if ESPN picked up a play where we benefitted from a non-call. Now, back to hypotheticals and infighting about how to force the coach out of his contract...
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 15:20:58 GMT -6
Yeah right. All the great coaches would much rather work someplace where you can't trust the contract they give you. With other better jobs to choose from that's going to be a big plus for BSU. There are way more coaches than there are D1 opportunities, and buyouts are negotiated all the time, so I am not sure what you think the big deal is. How stupid of me to want to make the BSU job a good one and attract the best coaches available and to think that the best in the pool will not be attracted to a job where instead of exercising a buyout clause the AD chooses instead to "make an employee's life a living hell without actually breaking any laws."
Did you actually read this thread before responding?
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Post by lmills72 on Feb 3, 2019 16:01:43 GMT -6
There are way more coaches than there are D1 opportunities, and buyouts are negotiated all the time, so I am not sure what you think the big deal is. How stupid of me to want to make the BSU job a good one and attract the best coaches available and to think that the best in the pool will be attracted to a job where instead of exercising a buyout clause the AD chooses instead to "make an employee's life a living hell without actually breaking any laws."
Did you actually read this thread before responding?
"Living hell" is open to a wide variety of interpretations. Obviously, you've taken a very literal interpretation. Others have interpreted it as assigning a person to a desk with no duties. For someone who has drive and respect for themselves, that might metaphorically qualify as a "living hell." I suspect that for Whitford, demanding a certain standard of coaching could be a "living hell." If setting a high standard is unappealing to a coach, you probably don't want that coach. I doubt that Whitford suggested mediocrity was his goal during his job interview, yet that is squarely where we are in Year 6. So ... for an AD to hold a meeting with a coach to state that his results are unacceptable, that the product he is putting on the floor is fundamentally flawed and has flawed fundamentals (and has been for several years despite his win total), and to state that these things are not acceptable ... yes I'm sure that could be the start of a "living hell" for Whitford. I can't imagine that would scare off any coach we'd want to hire. Coaches who don't want that level of accountability for themselves probably don't demand it of their players.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 3, 2019 17:26:01 GMT -6
How stupid of me to want to make the BSU job a good one and attract the best coaches available and to think that the best in the pool will be attracted to a job where instead of exercising a buyout clause the AD chooses instead to "make an employee's life a living hell without actually breaking any laws." Did you actually read this thread before responding?
"Living hell" is open to a wide variety of interpretations. Obviously, you've taken a very literal interpretation. Others have interpreted it as assigning a person to a desk with no duties. For someone who has drive and respect for themselves, that might metaphorically qualify as a "living hell." I think Whitford expects high standards. But my original objection was to the idea that I thought the statement implied other things not stated. You can make an employee miserable and get away with it in ways I will not countenance. Clear standards of on court performance, that's something I am very comfortable with. The standards should not be necessarily what fans want to set with memories of dominating the MAC, though. That I think is just not reality. But insisting we play near the top of the MAC, even win more than our share of championships, that seems quite reasonable. And when looking at results, unlike fans, an AD will consider factors like an unusual injury or other factor our forum might derisively call "excuses." Whether you call it explanation or excuse, some excuses are good excuses. Whitford should at this point have those high expectations. I believe he does.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 3, 2019 17:34:12 GMT -6
What are even talking about
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Post by CallingBS on Feb 3, 2019 18:06:59 GMT -6
Turnovers lost this, period. Kent St had roughly 13 more possessions in regulation. If thats cut to 6 more possessions BSU wins in regulation. The inability to win games at home in the MAC against anyone not named Buffalo with a heavily upperclass roster is mindboggling. Nobody can argue that turnovers made the difference in the game. You think maybe having some key people on that roster benched by injury had just a little to do with that?
To me the loss was painful but not mind boggling given the circumstances. I was there and suffered but was also proud of our players effort. In short, no. Ish has historically been a high-turnover player.
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