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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2019 8:52:17 GMT -6
Butler didn't draw jack shit to Muncie in the 90's. Their contribution to our crowds was maybe their coaches wives and that's about it. Butler was a Podunk afterthought. We out drew them in Hinkle. Our home schedule was more attractive. But the big factor was population and interest in live college basketball. There is little reason to believe we could come close to the heyday attendance level.
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Post by sweep on Feb 21, 2019 9:12:38 GMT -6
Butler didn't draw jack shit to Muncie in the 90's. Their contribution to our crowds was maybe their coaches wives and that's about it. Butler was a Podunk afterthought. We out drew them in Hinkle. the big factor was population and interest in live college basketball. There is little reason to believe we could come close to the heyday attendance level. Oh please, how well was football attended in 2008 compared to today ? You are such a gigantic wealth of stupidity it almost boggles the mind. You can get to Worthen in a little over twenty minutes from the north side of Indy.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2019 11:27:09 GMT -6
the big factor was population and interest in live college basketball. There is little reason to believe we could come close to the heyday attendance level. Oh please, how well was football attended in 2008 compared to today ? You are such a gigantic wealth of stupidity it almost boggles the mind. You can get to Worthen in a little over twenty minutes from the north side of Indy. Is there anything accurate and relevant in that post?
Why is college basketball live attendance such a big problem across the country today?
We have never had a large part of attendance from Indy. Our heyday we had larger local population, MUCH greater student interest in basketball. And that was not just bandwagon fans.
Muncie population with disposable income to buy tickets is significantly smaller. Interest is much lower. Students today are just not as interested in sports.
HS attendance is down. College attendance a problem across the country. Stupid would be to ignore the differences in the market today. We are literally not the only game in town. AND the population just isn't as interested. College sports interest generally is down, but more important there is so much college sports so easily available to compete with a long drive to Muncie. The 20 minute trip radius is Yorktown and Anderson. Not Indy. It is 2 minutes to your couch and ESPN.
Big time college football, NFL for half the season, NBA for the other half, compete with the product.
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 21, 2019 11:42:43 GMT -6
Oh please, how well was football attended in 2008 compared to today ? You are such a gigantic wealth of stupidity it almost boggles the mind. You can get to Worthen in a little over twenty minutes from the north side of Indy. Is there anything accurate and relevant in that post?
Why is college basketball live attendance such a big problem across the country today?
We have never had a large part of attendance from Indy. Our heyday we had larger local population, MUCH greater student interest in basketball. And that was not just bandwagon fans.
Muncie population with disposable income to buy tickets is significantly smaller. Interest is much lower. Students today are just not as interested in sports.
HS attendance is down. College attendance a problem across the country. Stupid would be to ignore the differences in the market today. We are literally not the only game in town. AND the population just isn't as interested. College sports interest generally is down, but more important there is so much college sports so easily available to compete with a long drive to Muncie. The 20 minute trip radius is Yorktown and Anderson. Not Indy. It is 2 minutes to your couch and ESPN.
Big time college football, NFL for half the season, NBA for the other half, compete with the product.
Everything your saying is true but if you put a consistent winning team we can draw 15-20000 average in football and 5000-7500 in basketball. You have to win consistently though
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Post by 87grad on Feb 21, 2019 11:43:58 GMT -6
the big factor was population and interest in live college basketball. There is little reason to believe we could come close to the heyday attendance level. Oh please, how well was football attended in 2008 compared to today ? You are such a gigantic wealth of stupidity it almost boggles the mind. You can get to Worthen in a little over twenty minutes from the north side of Indy. Remind me to stay out of your way coming up I-69. It's 41 miles from 465 to the 332 exit. And you're getting there and then to Worthen in a little over 20 minutes...
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Post by rmcalhoun on Feb 21, 2019 11:47:11 GMT -6
Is there anything accurate and relevant in that post?
Why is college basketball live attendance such a big problem across the country today?
We have never had a large part of attendance from Indy. Our heyday we had larger local population, MUCH greater student interest in basketball. And that was not just bandwagon fans.
Muncie population with disposable income to buy tickets is significantly smaller. Interest is much lower. Students today are just not as interested in sports.
HS attendance is down. College attendance a problem across the country. Stupid would be to ignore the differences in the market today. We are literally not the only game in town. AND the population just isn't as interested. College sports interest generally is down, but more important there is so much college sports so easily available to compete with a long drive to Muncie. The 20 minute trip radius is Yorktown and Anderson. Not Indy. It is 2 minutes to your couch and ESPN.
Big time college football, NFL for half the season, NBA for the other half, compete with the product.
Everything your saying is true but if you put a consistent winning team we can draw 15-20000 average in football and 5000-7500 in basketball. You have to win consistently though Before any one tries to argue me We hit 15,000 and 14,000 on two saturday games last year when we were garbage.. So those fans are around put a winning team out there those numbers do not have to grow much. Now if the games are played on tuesday thursday what ever there is no hope
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Post by sweep on Feb 21, 2019 11:58:56 GMT -6
Oh please, how well was football attended in 2008 compared to today ? You are such a gigantic wealth of stupidity it almost boggles the mind. You can get to Worthen in a little over twenty minutes from the north side of Indy. Remind me to stay out of your way coming up I-69. It's 41 miles from 465 to the 332 exit. And you're getting there and then to Worthen in a little over 20 minutes... I was thinking more of Pendleton/Noblesville...................
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 21, 2019 12:21:41 GMT -6
So, how did Buffalo come up with Nate Oats? Did they spend a ton of money out-bidding everyone else for a candidate from the standard coaching pool? No. Instead, they (serendipitously) used a variation of the Sherman Plan. Someone intelligent, who knew what to look for, brought Oats to Buffalo originally. At no point did Buffalo have to spend a ton of money to out-bid a bunch of competition for Oats.
While recruiting Romulus guard E. C. Matthews on behalf of Rhode Island in 2013, Bobby Hurley was impressed by Oats' coaching. Shortly thereafter, Hurley was named the head coach at Buffalo and hired Oats as an assistant on his staff. On April 9, 2015, the same day that Bobby Hurley announced that he would be leaving Buffalo to take the head coaching job at Arizona State, Oats was named the interim head coach at Buffalo On April 13, Oats was officially given the head coaching job.
People who lack imagination just advocate the same methods of searching the same pool as everyone else for new coaches. And if they also lack a sense of realism, they think we can simply out-bid (by using money from some mysterious source they can't name) all the other schools who will be pursuing top candidates from that same pool. So, it's...you know....just do what everyone else does... except spend more money.
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Post by ruffledfeathers on Feb 21, 2019 13:59:28 GMT -6
The drive from northeast Carmel, 136th st. and 18 blocks east of 31, was 55 minutes to the gold lot. Drove that from the late 1980's until 2005 for basketball and football. And that was when road conditions were good, not always the case in winter.
Go Cards!
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2019 15:15:51 GMT -6
So, how did Buffalo come up with Nate Oats? Did they spend a ton of money out-bidding everyone else for a candidate from the standard coaching pool? No. Instead, they (serendipitously) used a variation of the Sherman Plan. Someone intelligent, who knew what to look for, brought Oats to Buffalo originally. At no point did Buffalo have to spend a ton of money to out-bid a bunch of competition for Oats.
While recruiting Romulus guard E. C. Matthews on behalf of Rhode Island in 2013, Bobby Hurley was impressed by Oats' coaching. Shortly thereafter, Hurley was named the head coach at Buffalo and hired Oats as an assistant on his staff. On April 9, 2015, the same day that Bobby Hurley announced that he would be leaving Buffalo to take the head coaching job at Arizona State, Oats was named the interim head coach at Buffalo On April 13, Oats was officially given the head coaching job.
People who lack imagination just advocate the same methods of searching the same pool as everyone else for new coaches. And if they also lack a sense of realism, they think we can simply out-bid (by using money from some mysterious source they can't name) all the other schools who will be pursuing top candidates from that same pool. So, it's...you know....just do what everyone else does... except spend more money.
Let's hire a Bob Hurley. That is the lesson I see. Our brain trust has usually gotten to the point of discussing salary with coaches and losing them when the pool of candidates has included coaches of that quality.
The someone intelligent who brought Oats was Hurley who had good credentials when he arrived, and was clearly on the way up, and he was paid reasonably well, was not a bargain basement coach. This method of transition works a hell of lot better when the Bob Hurley has laid the foundation and the incoming coach needs much less OJT.
UB then kept Oats because the players unanimously wanted him. This is similar to hiring Ray when we did it. It was a risky move that worked, perhaps a little less well with Ray, but it is not exactly a favorite to work.
I do agree having a very good coach who proves himself and recommends an assistant to succeed him can be a good way to go, a little more likely then to step in and have fewer problems picking up the reins, even without HC experience.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2019 15:32:04 GMT -6
Didn’t we do that one time a while back. Hired a guy named Rick Majerus and, when he left, we gave the job to one of his assistants?
Can’t remember how that turned out.
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Post by sweep on Feb 21, 2019 16:15:49 GMT -6
So, how did Buffalo come up with Nate Oats? Did they spend a ton of money out-bidding everyone else for a candidate from the standard coaching pool? No. Instead, they (serendipitously) used a variation of the Sherman Plan. Someone intelligent, who knew what to look for, brought Oats to Buffalo originally. At no point did Buffalo have to spend a ton of money to out-bid a bunch of competition for Oats.
While recruiting Romulus guard E. C. Matthews on behalf of Rhode Island in 2013, Bobby Hurley was impressed by Oats' coaching. Shortly thereafter, Hurley was named the head coach at Buffalo and hired Oats as an assistant on his staff. On April 9, 2015, the same day that Bobby Hurley announced that he would be leaving Buffalo to take the head coaching job at Arizona State, Oats was named the interim head coach at Buffalo On April 13, Oats was officially given the head coaching job.
People who lack imagination just advocate the same methods of searching the same pool as everyone else for new coaches. And if they also lack a sense of realism, they think we can simply out-bid (by using money from some mysterious source they can't name) all the other schools who will be pursuing top candidates from that same pool. So, it's...you know....just do what everyone else does... except spend more money.
Let's hire a Bob Hurley. That is the lesson I see. Our brain trust has usually gotten to the point of discussing salary with coaches and losing them when the pool of candidates has included coaches of that quality.
"The money, which was reportedly raised during the past few weeks, will not come from Buffalo's budget. Hurley earned a base salary of $250,000 this year. He also received an additional $50,000 for his success with the team and incentives." www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/bobby-hurley-buffalo-coaching-depaul-ncaa-tournament-duke/1fpgmw8gvu5wl1jmu4we8l34f6Odd because Hurley was making a very ordinary salary when hired by Buffalo, you might want to actually check facts before posting your typical nonsense. If I an remembering correctly Hurley's $250,000/yr is almost identical to Whitford's first year. I had a wisdom tooth extracted about noon today, and I swear your posts are more tedious and frustrating than that procedure.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2019 20:26:10 GMT -6
The idea there is always a guy like that easy to find and will take the job at BSU is what I am saying. Hurley was the best first year coach in the nation when he took the job. This wasn't entirely surprising. What a resume. He and Dan were on a rocket to move up.
He looked for and got a job that fit where he was likely to be successful.
Much more a can't miss coach, making a pit stop in the MAC. Buffalo program with good talent on hand and not one in a funk. A roster ready to win 18,19 wins.
If we can get to a higher level we might do that. He was not required to engage in a rebuild and expected to move on quickly.
Would not have considered BSU. Under those conditions you can hire better talent cheaper. That is true.
Rich get richer.
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Post by williamtsherman on Feb 21, 2019 21:26:49 GMT -6
Right. Ball State, on the other hand, just needs to simply out bid everyone else with that giant secret stash of money that apparently exists in some basement of the Ad Building or somewhere.
If the rest of us had known about the giant secret stash of money, then we would have all been on board with the "out bid" coaching hire plan also.
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Post by 00hmh on Feb 21, 2019 22:42:28 GMT -6
Right. Ball State, on the other hand, just needs to simply out bid everyone else with that giant secret stash of money that apparently exists in some basement of the Ad Building or somewhere. If the rest of us had known about the giant secret stash of money, then we would have all been on board with the "out bid" coaching hire plan also. It's not THAT much money if we really want to have best chance. And, the alternative is just hiring cheaply a coach nobody else is bidding on? Because we're so much smarter. Yep, thats it, should make it easy to get the best coach in the MAC.
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